caspar 0 #1 July 30, 2006 skydivers are far more impressed with skydiving than whuffo's. skydiving breeds arrogance because at the end of the day, we are bad ass mother fuckers........right? no point to this post really, i suppose just wondering if most people feel the arrogance growing the more they jump (in all honesty,i catch myself feeling that at times). do you find yourself comparing yourself to the general populace who on the whole seem to live mundane lives, working, eating, drinking and spending half their lives infront of the TV."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #2 July 30, 2006 Quotespending half their lives infront of the TV. I'm spending 1/2 my time in front of the computer today.... On the question posed, it's like everything else in life. It will stay with you for awhile, then this too will pass. The attitude, that is. It may take awhile (either time or jump numbers) but it will all equal out the more exposure you have. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #3 July 30, 2006 When I first started skydiving I was pretty arrogant about being a skydiver. That has gone away though. Now it has become embaressing when a non-jumper finds out that I am a skydiver and makes a big deal about it. I turn bright red when that happens! "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #4 July 30, 2006 no... skydiving is attractive to Type A personalities... sometimes individuals with a Type A personality come across as arrogant. I was talking to a skydiver friend of mine and he pointed out that in order to be a successful skydiver you needed to be a bit arrogant/have an ego... but I hope/don't think that's really true. unlike some people that I see at the dropzone... I have friends outside of the sport... and I don't think they are any less interesting because they don't skydive... (though some of them are constantly playing this stupid game with bean bags called Cornhole... )Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #5 July 30, 2006 Quotewe are bad ass mother fuckers........right? Fuckin' eh! Oh, wait... nope.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caspar 0 #6 July 30, 2006 QuoteI was talking to a skydiver friend of mine and he pointed out that in order to be a successful skydiver you needed to be a bit arrogant/have an ego... but I hope/don't think that's really true. i would of thought a strong mind/decisive etc would be the apparent factor rather than an ego. as people say, the sport iss 99% mental. i dont really get how having an ego can make you a more successful skydiver."When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #7 July 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteI was talking to a skydiver friend of mine and he pointed out that in order to be a successful skydiver you needed to be a bit arrogant/have an ego... but I hope/don't think that's really true. i would of thought a strong mind/decisive etc would be the apparent factor rather than an ego. as people say, the sport iss 99% mental. i dont really get how having an ego can make you a more successful skydiver. Just watch the group dynamics at some of the DZ's Just like the bully on the school bus. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 July 31, 2006 Quote I was talking to a skydiver friend of mine and he pointed out that in order to be a successful skydiver you needed to be a bit arrogant/have an ego... but I hope/don't think that's really true. Wuffos ask why any sane person would voluntarily himself in a fatal situation. Skydivers answer that they are capable of saving themselves. What is that besides ego? Ego shouldn't be seen as a negative word, at least not to the same degree as arrogance. It shows a degree of confidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyit 0 #9 July 31, 2006 What is a Wuffo? . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 July 31, 2006 I think people who are arrogant to begin with start skydiving because they want something else to brag about (skygods). Arrogance isn't usually a trait acquired as an adult, from what I've seen. I've seen people grow more confident because of skydiving, but not more arrogant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cptchaos 0 #11 July 31, 2006 QuoteWhat is a Wuffo? .[/you cant be serious?cpt]all that is gold does not glitter not all those who wander are lost! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packerboy 3 #12 July 31, 2006 quote ' I think people who are arrogant to begin with start skydiving because they want something else to brag about (skygods). Arrogance isn't usually a trait acquired as an adult, from what I've seen. I've seen people grow more confident because of skydiving, but not more arrogant. ' end quote I agree. And I bet some of those arrogant ones who want to start skydiving to brag about something else are the ones who do static line or AFF because they are too cool to be strapped to an instructor, and end up landing in the plane and going home quietly. Or end up finishing their program and running with their tail between their legs never to be seen again. Or heaven forbids if they are real cool.... end up femuring or killing themselves before 300 jumps with a tiny elliptical and a camera on their head. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andybr6 0 #13 July 31, 2006 Most people with the desire and money could make a skydive. If you do feel any sense of superiority over someone because you jump, just remind yourself that if they wanted to they could go to Arizona for a few weeks and come back with more jumps than you and I combined. ------------------------------------------------ "All men can fly, but sadly, only in one direction" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kefran 0 #14 July 31, 2006 i don't think that it is arrogance, personally i feel very proud of my sport (even if with 157 jumps i consider myself a total newbie in it) but even if i'm proud i don't feel any superiority over anybody because i'm jumping out of a plane. IMHO i think that feeling «superior» will surely cause the sport to remind one that he is just as «breakable» than anybody else ...-------------------------------------------------- I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 July 31, 2006 Its a phase most all skydivers go through. I did. Most out-grow it after a number of years, number of jumps, an injury to themselves or friends and after witnessing a fatality or more. I did too. Some don't ever out-grow it. An even smaller sub-set of these folks die with their "arrogance" as a contributor to the incident which took them. Its part of the sport. Kinda like, for a lot of us, when you're 18, your parents are the stupidest people on the earth, but by the time you're in your mid-20s, you're surprised to realize they weren't so stupid after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #16 July 31, 2006 I think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #17 July 31, 2006 QuoteI think people who are arrogant to begin with start skydiving because they want something else to brag about (skygods). True observation, but students of this type also seem to not last as long in the sport when they find out they are the 'newbies' and no one is really impressed with them at the DZ. they can do 5 or 10 jumps and then quit and still call themselves "skydivers" to non-jumpers. You really do have to love the sport for the sake of the sport. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #18 July 31, 2006 QuoteI think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self. The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. You start out scared then get some confidence. That confidence builds to arrogance. Then you get humbled by either an accident that got you, or one too many ash dives...Then the little bit of the fear comes back, or at least respect and the arrogance dies."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 279 #19 July 31, 2006 One may wish to distinguish between arrogance inside the sport, vs. that outside of it. A skydiver might present themselves to the whuffo world arrogantly, because of that feeling of superiority over the apparently boring, timid, flightless masses. But at the same time that skydiver might be patiently working on their canopy and freefall skills, and feel humble within the sport. It is still nice to feel good about the cool sport one is involved with, and be accepted by other skydivers, no matter what one's experience level is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #20 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self. The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. You start out scared then get some confidence. That confidence builds to arrogance. Then you get humbled by either an accident that got you, or one too many ash dives...Then the little bit of the fear comes back, or at least respect and the arrogance dies. Yep..."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #21 August 1, 2006 Quoteor one too many ash dives...isn't one ash dive one too many... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #22 August 1, 2006 QuoteI turn bright red when that happens! i'm arrogant as hell, well at least in the skydiving world... but the same thing happens to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #23 August 1, 2006 Quote The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. I wish this were true. And no, I'm not referring to you, but rather someone I've encountered at a local DZ. When its time for recurrency, it sure as hell won't be that person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #24 August 1, 2006 QuoteI wish this were true. And no, I'm not referring to you, but rather someone I've encountered at a local DZ. When its time for recurrency, it sure as hell won't be that person. One person vs a group. There are arrogant PEOPLE with various number of jumps. I have seen AFF students think they were Gods gift to skydiving, and I know some way over 1,000 jump folks that think the DZ would close down if they didn't show up. But the most arrogant group seems to be less than a grand IMO. Of course it could be that there are more 300-1000 jumps than 1000+ jumpers....And so it just seems like it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #25 August 1, 2006 *** I've seen people grow more confident because of skydiving, but not more arrogant.*** Regrettably I have seen both. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #12 July 31, 2006 quote ' I think people who are arrogant to begin with start skydiving because they want something else to brag about (skygods). Arrogance isn't usually a trait acquired as an adult, from what I've seen. I've seen people grow more confident because of skydiving, but not more arrogant. ' end quote I agree. And I bet some of those arrogant ones who want to start skydiving to brag about something else are the ones who do static line or AFF because they are too cool to be strapped to an instructor, and end up landing in the plane and going home quietly. Or end up finishing their program and running with their tail between their legs never to be seen again. Or heaven forbids if they are real cool.... end up femuring or killing themselves before 300 jumps with a tiny elliptical and a camera on their head. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andybr6 0 #13 July 31, 2006 Most people with the desire and money could make a skydive. If you do feel any sense of superiority over someone because you jump, just remind yourself that if they wanted to they could go to Arizona for a few weeks and come back with more jumps than you and I combined. ------------------------------------------------ "All men can fly, but sadly, only in one direction" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kefran 0 #14 July 31, 2006 i don't think that it is arrogance, personally i feel very proud of my sport (even if with 157 jumps i consider myself a total newbie in it) but even if i'm proud i don't feel any superiority over anybody because i'm jumping out of a plane. IMHO i think that feeling «superior» will surely cause the sport to remind one that he is just as «breakable» than anybody else ...-------------------------------------------------- I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #15 July 31, 2006 Its a phase most all skydivers go through. I did. Most out-grow it after a number of years, number of jumps, an injury to themselves or friends and after witnessing a fatality or more. I did too. Some don't ever out-grow it. An even smaller sub-set of these folks die with their "arrogance" as a contributor to the incident which took them. Its part of the sport. Kinda like, for a lot of us, when you're 18, your parents are the stupidest people on the earth, but by the time you're in your mid-20s, you're surprised to realize they weren't so stupid after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #16 July 31, 2006 I think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #17 July 31, 2006 QuoteI think people who are arrogant to begin with start skydiving because they want something else to brag about (skygods). True observation, but students of this type also seem to not last as long in the sport when they find out they are the 'newbies' and no one is really impressed with them at the DZ. they can do 5 or 10 jumps and then quit and still call themselves "skydivers" to non-jumpers. You really do have to love the sport for the sake of the sport. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #18 July 31, 2006 QuoteI think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self. The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. You start out scared then get some confidence. That confidence builds to arrogance. Then you get humbled by either an accident that got you, or one too many ash dives...Then the little bit of the fear comes back, or at least respect and the arrogance dies."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #19 July 31, 2006 One may wish to distinguish between arrogance inside the sport, vs. that outside of it. A skydiver might present themselves to the whuffo world arrogantly, because of that feeling of superiority over the apparently boring, timid, flightless masses. But at the same time that skydiver might be patiently working on their canopy and freefall skills, and feel humble within the sport. It is still nice to feel good about the cool sport one is involved with, and be accepted by other skydivers, no matter what one's experience level is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #20 August 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think arrogance should diminish with experience. If it increases it speaks to a deep lack of self-confidence in ones self. The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. You start out scared then get some confidence. That confidence builds to arrogance. Then you get humbled by either an accident that got you, or one too many ash dives...Then the little bit of the fear comes back, or at least respect and the arrogance dies. Yep..."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #21 August 1, 2006 Quoteor one too many ash dives...isn't one ash dive one too many... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #22 August 1, 2006 QuoteI turn bright red when that happens! i'm arrogant as hell, well at least in the skydiving world... but the same thing happens to me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 August 1, 2006 Quote The most arrogant people I have seen have under 1,000 jumps. I wish this were true. And no, I'm not referring to you, but rather someone I've encountered at a local DZ. When its time for recurrency, it sure as hell won't be that person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #24 August 1, 2006 QuoteI wish this were true. And no, I'm not referring to you, but rather someone I've encountered at a local DZ. When its time for recurrency, it sure as hell won't be that person. One person vs a group. There are arrogant PEOPLE with various number of jumps. I have seen AFF students think they were Gods gift to skydiving, and I know some way over 1,000 jump folks that think the DZ would close down if they didn't show up. But the most arrogant group seems to be less than a grand IMO. Of course it could be that there are more 300-1000 jumps than 1000+ jumpers....And so it just seems like it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #25 August 1, 2006 *** I've seen people grow more confident because of skydiving, but not more arrogant.*** Regrettably I have seen both. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
