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Landing on Asphault...?

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I've got a demo coming up where the planned landing area is a city street. I'll be flying a lightly loaded Triathlon, but I admit I'm intimidated by landing on asphalt - it's just something I've never tried before.

How badly does asphalt suck?

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I've got a demo coming up where the planned landing area is a city street. I'll be flying a lightly loaded Triathlon, but I admit I'm intimidated by landing on asphalt - it's just something I've never tried before.

How badly does asphalt suck?

_Am



Of course, I'm still on student status. But I heard several stories about landing on asphault. For my feeling, I wouldn't try landing on asphault since it's higher risk of death and more serious injury since it's hard pavement if mistake landing. It can give bad stratch or worse! But to me by your # jumps, I'm sure you should know what to do. :)
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I've got a demo coming up where the planned landing area is a city street. I'll be flying a lightly loaded Triathlon, but I admit I'm intimidated by landing on asphalt - it's just something I've never tried before.

How badly does asphalt suck?

_Am



How comfortable are you landing the “lightly loaded Triathlon”? Asphalt is not any different than hard dirt to land on. If there is any asphalt on you DZ do some practice jumps before the demo. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to put 5 or 6 jumps on the Triathlon just to get the feel. Landing in down town is not the place to fine out the canopy is way out of trim or some such shit.

You will get more thermal action because it radiates heat more and if there is wind over obsticals you will get more rotor activity.

On city streets you have other things to worry about besides the asphalt. You can have overhead wire, lamp posts that extend out over the street and since they are having you jump there could be temperary lines strung all over the place.

Good luck and stay safe.
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Our standard swoop lane (Davis) is asphalt, but is liberally sprinkled with gravel. It is a fantastic sliding surface, with gravel. Without gravel, the asphalt gets grabby / less friendly. You defintely want smooth-bottomed sneakers (Vans, Simple, etc. not running shoes).

Thermals are an issue two ways. 1) you will have more lift over the road than you expect, 2) the transition between dirt and the road is usually home to a nice shear layer on hot days (turbulent). Not so much an issue with a fast crossbraced canopy but might be on a lightly loaded wing.

Echo the point about power and telephone lines. Know where they are before the demo.

Good luck!

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I jump a 150 stilleto (loaded 1.8) normally, but use a Sabre 190 for demos. I'd never be afraid of jumping on asphalt with the Sabre in normal wind conditions.

However, to answer you question ... Asphalt sucks pretty bad if you biff -- no problem otherwise.;)

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Ashpalt demos are hard core.

My usual gear is my rollerblade protection - knee & elbow pads, wrist guards & gloves. If I'm not jumping camera I add a daggy blue protec and be ready to roll...

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I've got a demo coming up where the planned landing area is a city street. I'll be flying a lightly loaded Triathlon, but I admit I'm intimidated by landing on asphalt - it's just something I've never tried before.

How badly does asphalt suck?

_Am



Keep this in mind.....if the asphalt is warm to hot you arent going to slide like on a loose dirt or gravel covered surface. Your shoes , if they have a soft cushiony botton, will grip and put you on your face.

If a hi-po fast landing is what you expect from your canopy, be prepared to run it out or wear some shoes with a more firm sole.

I didnt learn this from reading it in a book. I learned it on several hundred parking lot demos.
The worst being in a slight drizzle in a highrise downtown area. Wet asphalt is like landing on a greased fying pan.........woooooosh


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My usual gear is my rollerblade protection - knee & elbow pads, wrist guards .....



I dont know much, but I would wear that under my clothes. You know, snagpoints...



Not only that, but you'd look better. :D

I have landed on asphalt a few times, with only one bad result, leaving me with a bloody hand and a large hole in the seat of my jumpsuit. One good landing was the last night jump when the spot was a mile off and I chose a parking lot along a major highway because I could actually "see" the surface. No problem. Another time the DZ was really muddy so I picked the edge of the paved tarmac rather than slip and slide and get all dirty. :P
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Assuming this is a cityscape (with buildings and all) and it's a demo where timing is important - the chances of the conditions being good are nil.

The original reason BASE jumpers began jumping from buildings at night was not for security, it was for the calm wind conditions. Just a ten MPH wind blowing around downtown creates all manner or rotors and turbulence as it rushes around everything it hits. In the day time it's 100% worse.

But hey – that's why they call you guys PROs . . .

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Assuming this is a cityscape (with buildings and all) and it's a demo where timing is important - the chances of the conditions being good are nil.

The original reason BASE jumpers began jumping from buildings at night was not for security, it was for the calm wind conditions. Just a ten MPH wind blowing around downtown creates all manner or rotors and turbulence as it rushes around everything it hits. In the day time it's 100% worse.

But hey – that's why they call you guys PROs . . .

NickD :)BASE 194



And that's why the real PROs use big canopies in downtown jumps. There was a demo in downtown Birmingham several years ago for the McWane Science museum and IMAX theatre grand opening. Guy Manos was hired to do it. The city had to remove traffic lights and poles from the intersection before the insurance company would cover the jump and he made a perfect standup under a 200+ sf canopy on target.
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You guys have got to remember that a demo is not a skydive it is a performance you are putting on for the sponsor. They hired you because you convinced them you were a professional and could do the performance you said you would do.

A student can come in and roll up in a ball on landing. If you are getting paid you are a professional and should be able to do 3 things. Be on time, on target and standing up. Anything else makes it look like you are in over your head.

That hardest thing to do on any demo is have the guts to say no.:)
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You guys have got to remember that a demo is not a skydive it is a performance you are putting on for the sponsor.



Absolutely true. I've joined a team that's been doing demo's in the midwest for about 20 years. I'm in good hands, and learning as much as I can. :)
Matching canopies and jumpsuits, streamers, smoke and CRW - the whole shabang.

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That hardest thing to do on any demo is have the guts to say no.:)



pussy.



You should know! :D

I had to say no on a demo when the winds were just above the threshold. I could have done the jump and so could have two other jumpers on the load. But the flag jumper couldn't have cuz his canopy was too lightly loaded. But I wanted to follow the rules anyway...
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

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That hardest thing to do on any demo is have the guts to say no.:)



pussy.



You should know! :D

I had to say no on a demo when the winds were just above the threshold. I could have done the jump and so could have two other jumpers on the load. But the flag jumper couldn't have cuz his canopy was too lightly loaded. But I wanted to follow the rules anyway...



Im glad you caught the irony there Billy. :o)


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Obviously you know I'm no PRO however I have landed on asphalt a few times (better choice over a powerline or deep ditch).... just stand it up. As you have so often pointed out, on a 7 cell landing is more down than forward - so a long surf w/ sticky shoes isn't a problem.

Once I was watching this guy trying to get his PRO rating... he fell tumbled at least 3 landing trying to get within the required accuracy circle.... I think he got his rating (don't know his name) but he probably should not be landing on asphalt even if he as the card.

There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear.

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Once I was watching this guy trying to get his PRO rating... he fell tumbled at least 3 landing trying to get within the required accuracy circle.... I think he got his rating (don't know his name) but he probably should not be landing on asphalt even if he as the card.



If he had those jumps counted toward his PRO rating, whoever signed him off oughta get his rating revoked. :|
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It's not difficult but you should go practice this weekend.

Go land where there's some cement or asphalt. Make it your primary landing zone and get used to it. Make all or most of your approaches deep brake approaches and get used to sinking the canopy. Sink it as much as you can just before stall and at a reasonable altitude, slowly let the brakes up to full or near full flight before having to flare.

Sinking any canopy especially a lightly loaded canopy can be the most important skill to have. Sink... let fly some.... sink let fly some... etc... Be prepared to land without being able to flare from full flight. If you're on a demo team, you'll get this figured out quickly.

Remember target fixation. People with 1000's of jumps can still get it. If you're not used to landing off, or near obstacles, target fixation can hurt you. Look where you want to land, not where you don't want to land. Be aware of what you don't want to land on, but don't be staring it hoping you miss.

If it's a fairly wide open area, then just go land. If it's tight, be well versed in the accuarcy approach. Safe landing is all that matters. If that means completely missing the intended area, then so be it.

One more thing. Go walk your landing zone. You have new outs to think about now. Stairs, roof tops, side of a hill... There usually are many options but you must pay attention during the walk.

Just get to the ground safe. If you blow the approach or it gets blown for you... be prepared to land where ever it takes to not get hurt or hurt someone else.

Now after a long drawn out answer, The simple answer... Landing on asphalt is easy.
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