StreetScooby 5 #26 September 30, 2006 I personally have had 3 baglocks (many years ago). The stows didn't come free. I was standing up in all of them, and it was definitely an E-ticket ride. The thing keeps trying to wrap up in line twists on you. The first one was from exit at 12K. Rode the thing down to 3K before chopping, since I didn't want to lose my main. After chop, you then have a terminal reserve opening. They knock your shoes off...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d123 3 #27 October 1, 2006 Is there a chance, when you have a bag-lock or a streamer, that the drag created will not be enough to detach the raisers from the harness? Assuming that no RSL/SkyHook is present and if the altitude allows, should one check that the raisers are detached before opening the reserve (to reduce the chance of a double)?Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've been taught that the streamer is a "medium speed" mal, the drag from the BOS above you will be slowing you down. Anything above you should in theory slow you down, even if you are in the vertical position. I've chopped 2 streamers. Nothing medium speed about those at all! You'll feel as if you never left freefall. Don't mess around with them. Chop 'em. I'm glad you said that, as I was about to. I realize the poster now has 60+ jumps & an A license, but I hope he wasn't taught that while still a student. I don't have an instructor's rating, but that's too far outside the "keep it simple" zone (for students) for my comfort. A streamer is a high-speed malfunction and should be handled with that level of urgency. A streamer, or even a POS that slows you down to a "mere" 70 mph will kill you just as surely as going in at full terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d123 3 #29 October 1, 2006 QuoteQuote Isn't it the streamer specific only for ram-air parachutes that have sliders? Quite the opposite, I believe. Streamers and Roman Candles were the better known mals on rounds. Roman Candle it's a wrap around?Lock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #30 October 1, 2006 in reply to "Is there a chance, when you have a bag-lock or a streamer, that the drag created will not be enough to detach the raisers from the harness? " ......... Sure there's a chance and it does happen. Even a release hesitation can cause problems ..especially if the first riser to go activates a RSL. During a malfunction it is possible to have your wits about you enough to ensure both risers have released before reserve deployment( barring RSL roulette ). Often it will be obvious. It has been known for people to 'help' the 3rings let go if they stick a bit . My two bag locks stood me up a bit ..,most liklely cause I looked up. You feel like you're going faster and in a stand up under a bag-lock I'd guess you would be. of course simple solution for most 3ring release probs ..regular 3ring maintenance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #31 October 2, 2006 As has been said, a "streamer" was a round canopy mal, so named because of its long shape. Since this shape cannot occur with squares, I think this mal shoud have a new name, like a "blob", or something. While I know what you mean, a real classical streamer is possible with a square because I've had one. It was an older design canopy back in 1980, but I see no fundamental difference in the basic design (7 cell) or even the way it was packed. It came out of the bag and wound itself up tightly, like a cigarette. Never even snivelled or tried to inflate. I could actually see it winding itself up tighter and knew at that moment it would never open and went for my handles. All rocket science aside, the feeling you get from a streamer is very disconcerting because there's enough drag to pull you upright, but it's a very sick and disorienting feeling that has you turning and swaying every which way - simply awful. When you go for your handles, try to focus on your body and not look at the rest of the world. The world around you is going crazy, but your body is the only constant you can really reference - and it's where your handles are anyway. An excellent video of a baglock cutaway can be found in the Malfunctions thread at skydivingmovies.com, I believe the jumper was competing in the Collegiate Nationals Style event and the judging camera on the ground telemeters caught the whole thing. The guy's feet went right up over his head as he was going for handles. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
