bloody_trauma 2 #1 December 22, 2006 any one seen this one yet? video of plane nearly hitting divers mid flight http://www.m90.org/index.php?id=28363 that shit is crazyFly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #2 December 22, 2006 That is why it is so important to chew your food really well before swallowing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #3 December 22, 2006 hey whats up man, VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC SCENES OF AN ACCIDENT also found this one and its pretty horrible wingsuiter smashes into a bridge http://www.m90.org/index.php?id=28433Fly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #4 December 22, 2006 Quotehey whats up man, also found this one and its fuckin horrible wingsuiter smashes into a bridge While the almost-gone-bad videos are somewhat entertaining, I'm not sure it's appropriate to put that on here. There are probably a few people here that knew the jumper in that video, if it's who I think it is. Edited to remove link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #5 December 22, 2006 your concern is noted, it might or might not be appropriate for this site, there are so many places that video can posted. ill edit it with a disclaimer.Fly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #6 December 22, 2006 Quoteyour concern is noted, it might or might not be appropriate for this site, there are so many places that video can posted. ill edit it with a disclaimer. I can see where it could be marginally appropriate if the incident is being discussed, but posting it purely for shock value probably isn't going to make any of the mods happy. Just a hint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #7 December 22, 2006 NASCAR will be back soon.About 10 wrecks per race.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #8 December 22, 2006 QuoteI can see where it could be marginally appropriate if the incident is being discussed, but posting it purely for shock value probably isn't going to make any of the mods happy. Well then, lets talk about it - In the first video I am wondering why deployment did not happen sooner. First thing that comes to mind is the jumper did not see the plane. I have been in a similar situation but dumped out of it with much more vertical seperation. As I tracked and scanned the airplane below me stuck out like a sore thumb. Wondering if I just got lucky or if scanning (for other jumpers as well as anything else that might be in the air) while tracking helped. -Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastphil 0 #9 December 22, 2006 QuoteQuoteI can see where it could be marginally appropriate if the incident is being discussed, but posting it purely for shock value probably isn't going to make any of the mods happy. Well then, lets talk about it - In the first video I am wondering why deployment did not happen sooner. First thing that comes to mind is the jumper did not see the plane. I have been in a similar situation but dumped out of it with much more vertical seperation. As I tracked and scanned the airplane below me stuck out like a sore thumb. Wondering if I just got lucky or if scanning (for other jumpers as well as anything else that might be in the air) while tracking helped. - I agree; Should always keep an eye on where you are going and who else may be there. Cool close call though... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #10 December 22, 2006 well ill take it down if it makes you unhappy dont want to offendFly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #11 December 22, 2006 That one's been on YouTube for a while now. A lot of the comments were, "It's a fake!" ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #12 December 22, 2006 Quotewell ill take it down if it makes you unhappy dont want to offend But it's guys like you that defend freedom of speech. If someone dont like what is on NBC they can always watch CBS... Thanks for defending freedom! Keep up the good work...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms.sofaking 0 #13 December 22, 2006 I agree, not real appropriate in this forum.I have seen this before, it is not a recent incident.Not that older incidents can't be discussed and learned from, but that doesn't seem like the intent.I think out of respect to any friends, family, and the jumper himself you should take it down."I'm not sure how it's going to turn out, except I'll die in the end, she said. So what could really go wrong? -----Brian Andreas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ms.sofaking 0 #14 December 22, 2006 Thank You"I'm not sure how it's going to turn out, except I'll die in the end, she said. So what could really go wrong? -----Brian Andreas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #15 December 22, 2006 Humm, a near collision just after opening. My hunch is that the airplane was probably just a couple of miles away when the jumper got out. The question that comes to my mind is why the jumper(s) didn't see the airplane when they were spotting. It takes two to tangle... .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #16 December 22, 2006 i have a nasty habit of being silenced for crazy stuff i say by the greenies, im not trying to feel the green wrathFly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #17 December 23, 2006 I can imagine that even when spotting and looking for traffic, making a 360 sweep of the entire sky can be less than perfect sometimes? For instance, when I am with a student I do my best to make a good scan for traffic but dont actually lay down and look beneath the AC toward the horizon opposite the door. I have made it a habbit to look out the windows on the way to the door but hard to see well through the glare of the ultra clean windows (maybe not so clean). Any pointers Tom? Edit to add: In freefall I scan a lot for traffic below and hortizontally... -Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,438 #18 December 23, 2006 Not to mention the search function is our friend.... it's been posted at least three times I know of on here.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #19 December 23, 2006 Quote For instance, when I am with a student I do my best to make a good scan for traffic but dont actually lay down and look beneath the AC toward the horizon opposite the door. I have made it a habbit to look out the windows on the way to the door but hard to see well through the glare of the ultra clean windows (maybe not so clean). Any pointers Tom? It sounds like you are doing more than most people. The key is to keep your eyes out the windows on jumprun, and then to do a final check before you get out. If everybody in the airplane does that much, then the risk of collision goes way down. My only suggestion is to get your student involved too, which you may already be doing. When I was doing tandems, I made it a point to check out the windows and get the student looking outside too, even on the first jump. It wasn't so much to have them check for traffic, but it at least got them started looking out the window. On later jumps we would cover the "why" of looking. Obviously that's a part of AFF. It amazes me how many jumpers, especially on large airplanes, don't even glance out a window, much less actually look for traffic. .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #20 December 23, 2006 With solo freefall students I teach to look for traffic out the windows and when spotting at the door while keeping in mind that jump run is carrying us farther away but it pretty much ends there - I havent really taught to scann in freefall, should I?Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,086 #21 December 23, 2006 >It amazes me how many jumpers, especially on large airplanes, >don't even glance out a window, much less actually look for traffic. Definitely. A while back I was jumping at a DZ that had unusually bad "outs" - a big lake and some 3000 foot mountains nearby. Not some place I want to get a horrible spot. It's also a common reporting point for inbound aircraft, so there's traffic to watch for. On jump run I spot, and the clouds had turned solid. There were some openings far away over the lake, but none over the DZ. I looked for about 20 seconds, then leaned back in and said "we're not going! Clouds!" "What?" said the next group (freeflyers.) "Clouds, pretty solid. We're not getting out. You can get out if you want to." They got in the door - without looking - and exited. Everyone else exited as well. The last two jumpers out were a coach and her student. At least she looked - then went anyway. Later she told me she could see patches of lake so she figured they'd be OK. It doesn't take much time to look out the door, and can save you from incidents such as the one described here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icevideot 0 #22 December 23, 2006 QuoteI havent really taught to scann in freefall, should I? IMHO It can be challenging enough to teach them to actually read the altimeter and just "notice" a ground reference. Some AFF jumps are busy enough I don't get to scan the horizon very well. I do mention the need for it whenever I am discussing the need for things like a good track and wave-off. They need to be prepared to be on their own but the first handful of jumps have plenty going on already."... this ain't a Nerf world." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #23 December 23, 2006 Nope, haven't seen it, it totally hasn't been on skydivingmovies.com for over a year... Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
za_skydiver 0 #24 December 23, 2006 My antivirus says that link is a virus. My antivirus picks it up as trojan-clicker.html.agent.aSome dream of flying, i live the dream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloody_trauma 2 #25 December 23, 2006 ok, watch it and then dump your cookiesFly it like you stole it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
