Ironmanjay 0 #1 January 8, 2007 Welll I am totally stoked about today. I got my A license!!!! I also bought my first used rig today. Everything is from 05 with low jumps on it. 190 triathalon WL @ 1.1. and a smart 175 all in a Aerodyne sport container. Including a cypress 2 and an RSL for 3500$. I thought it was a decent deal considering its just about new equipment. The only bummer of the day was I landed rough and sprang my ankle so Im out of commission for a little bit but thats ok Ill be back in the skys soon Thanks to everybody on this website and at my home dropzone I had a great day today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porpoishead 8 #2 January 8, 2007 congrats bro!!! blue skiesif you want a friend feed any animal Perry Farrell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #3 January 8, 2007 QuoteWelll I am totally stoked about today. I got my A license!!!! I also bought my first used rig today. Everything is from 05 with low jumps on it. 190 triathalon WL @ 1.1. and a smart 175 all in a Aerodyne sport container. Including a cypress 2 and an RSL for 3500$. I thought it was a decent deal considering its just about new equipment. The only bummer of the day was I landed rough and sprang my ankle so Im out of commission for a little bit but thats ok Ill be back in the skys soon Thanks to everybody on this website and at my home dropzone I had a great day today Congrats on the A license, but if you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #4 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteWelll I am totally stoked about today. I got my A license!!!! I also bought my first used rig today. Everything is from 05 with low jumps on it. 190 triathalon WL @ 1.1. and a smart 175 all in a Aerodyne sport container. Including a cypress 2 and an RSL for 3500$. I thought it was a decent deal considering its just about new equipment. The only bummer of the day was I landed rough and sprang my ankle so Im out of commission for a little bit but thats ok Ill be back in the skys soon Thanks to everybody on this website and at my home dropzone I had a great day today Congrats on the A license, but if you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? Be safe Ed As the pilot above says....maybe consider renting the student gear for a few more jumps at least before sticking with your new stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfloyd 0 #5 January 8, 2007 Nice work, heal fast and stay safe. My drinking team has a skydiving problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #6 January 8, 2007 Well done, may I be the first on here to say.... A licence + first rig = mucho beer Nice one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ironmanjay 0 #7 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteWelll I am totally stoked about today. I got my A license!!!! I also bought my first used rig today. Everything is from 05 with low jumps on it. 190 triathalon WL @ 1.1. and a smart 175 all in a Aerodyne sport container. Including a cypress 2 and an RSL for 3500$. I thought it was a decent deal considering its just about new equipment. The only bummer of the day was I landed rough and sprang my ankle so Im out of commission for a little bit but thats ok Ill be back in the skys soon Thanks to everybody on this website and at my home dropzone I had a great day today Congrats on the A license, but if you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? Be safe Ed I landed in a bad spot at the drop zone that had some uneven ground( yeah I havnt mastered where I want to land) so when I went to touch down my ankle rolled. Im glad to be alive period so I cant complain too much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 January 8, 2007 Quoteif you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. To the contrary, it could be his flare technique, landing terrain, an off-wind heading, or numerous other things which are responsible for the minor injury. He said the wing-loading was 1.1, which is justly conservative for his experience level. Thus, I don't think it's fair to blame the size of the parachute for the twisted ankle. But if 190 sq. ft. isn't big enough for him, what size do you recommend? A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #9 January 8, 2007 >You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. It is not responsible for the twisted ankle; most likely technique is. But since most skydivers do not start their skydiving careers with the canopy skills of Brian Germain, it is wise to stay on larger canopy sizes until they can land smaller sizes safely. A twisted ankle under a 190 becomes a mere hard landing under a 210 - and might be a broken femur under a 175. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #10 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteif you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. The original poster had 10%-20% more kinetic energy on landing than he would have had at a size or two bigger. That can't have helped. Quote He said the wing-loading was 1.1, which is justly conservative for his experience level. Thus, I don't think it's fair to blame the size of the parachute for the twisted ankle. People jumping wingloadings approaching 2.0 doesn't make wingloadings beyond 1.0 any less conservative than when that was PD's placarded maximum on their ZP canopies. When I started jumping with an exit weight of 170-190 pounds instructors were evenly divided as to whether I should get a 190 or 210 for a first canopy. Canopies aren't any slower today. Brian Germain's Wingloading Never Exceed table lists 209 square feet as the absolute minimum for a 209 pound exit weight at 20 jumps and recommends a 230. 40 jumps changes the minimum to 203 and the recommened remains at 230. Of course this disregards how Ironmanjay got to the 190 - going directly from a 288 Manta to the 190 would not have been prudent. Quote A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? I saw a guy fracture his L4, cocyx, pelvis, and sacrum at less than one pound per square foot (low turn) and a girl break her ankle under a 295 Skymaster (failure to flare). Going big only reduces the chance of injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #11 January 9, 2007 Quote... But if 190 sq. ft. isn't big enough for him, what size do you recommend? A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? I love the way you twist things...are you a lawyer? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #12 January 9, 2007 Quote>You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. It is not responsible for the twisted ankle; most likely technique is. But since most skydivers do not start their skydiving careers with the canopy skills of Brian Germain, it is wise to stay on larger canopy sizes until they can land smaller sizes safely. A twisted ankle under a 190 becomes a mere hard landing under a 210 - and might be a broken femur under a 175. My thoughts exactly. Thanks Bill Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ironmanjay 0 #13 January 9, 2007 I think the most important part of this was that I discussed what happened with my instructor and I am aware of what I could have done differently and what I WILL do next time. That will allow for a safer and proprer landing. And just to add to it this was not the first time I landed a 190.I had been jumping this 190 for at least the last 8 jumps. I just messed up this time and glad that it was only my ankle that suffered Thanks everybody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #14 January 9, 2007 QuoteI discussed what happened with my instructor and I am aware of what I could have done differently and what I WILL do next time. Now your talkin'........ Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #15 January 9, 2007 QuoteI saw a guy fracture his L4, cocyx, pelvis, and sacrum at less than one pound per square foot (low turn) and a girl break her ankle under a 295 Skymaster (failure to flare). Correct. And that was my point. With poor technique, you can still get hurt regardless of how large your canopy is. Therefore, a big canopy is not a panacea to prevent injury. Proper technique is what's really needed, no matter what size canopy is being jumped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #16 January 9, 2007 >Therefore, a big canopy is not a panacea to prevent injury. It's a pretty good solution. That's why first jump students can land on their own - they can screw up four ways and still land without injury under that big canopy. Of course, if they screw up five ways, they're still gonna get hurt. Compare that to a more heavily loaded canopy, where a single mistake results in an injury. Such canopies should be avoided until the jumper has the skill to NOT make such mistakes. >Proper technique is what's really needed, no matter what size >canopy is being jumped. And a larger canopy can keep someone who screws up alive so they can learn from their mistake, and develop that proper technique. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hayfield 0 #17 January 10, 2007 Congrats on the A dude. HIM, HIM, FUCK HIM! 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Ironmanjay 0 #7 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteWelll I am totally stoked about today. I got my A license!!!! I also bought my first used rig today. Everything is from 05 with low jumps on it. 190 triathalon WL @ 1.1. and a smart 175 all in a Aerodyne sport container. Including a cypress 2 and an RSL for 3500$. I thought it was a decent deal considering its just about new equipment. The only bummer of the day was I landed rough and sprang my ankle so Im out of commission for a little bit but thats ok Ill be back in the skys soon Thanks to everybody on this website and at my home dropzone I had a great day today Congrats on the A license, but if you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? Be safe Ed I landed in a bad spot at the drop zone that had some uneven ground( yeah I havnt mastered where I want to land) so when I went to touch down my ankle rolled. Im glad to be alive period so I cant complain too much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 January 8, 2007 Quoteif you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. To the contrary, it could be his flare technique, landing terrain, an off-wind heading, or numerous other things which are responsible for the minor injury. He said the wing-loading was 1.1, which is justly conservative for his experience level. Thus, I don't think it's fair to blame the size of the parachute for the twisted ankle. But if 190 sq. ft. isn't big enough for him, what size do you recommend? A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #9 January 8, 2007 >You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. It is not responsible for the twisted ankle; most likely technique is. But since most skydivers do not start their skydiving careers with the canopy skills of Brian Germain, it is wise to stay on larger canopy sizes until they can land smaller sizes safely. A twisted ankle under a 190 becomes a mere hard landing under a 210 - and might be a broken femur under a 175. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #10 January 8, 2007 QuoteQuoteif you hurt your ankle on a 190, what will your landing be like on your 175 reserve? You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. The original poster had 10%-20% more kinetic energy on landing than he would have had at a size or two bigger. That can't have helped. Quote He said the wing-loading was 1.1, which is justly conservative for his experience level. Thus, I don't think it's fair to blame the size of the parachute for the twisted ankle. People jumping wingloadings approaching 2.0 doesn't make wingloadings beyond 1.0 any less conservative than when that was PD's placarded maximum on their ZP canopies. When I started jumping with an exit weight of 170-190 pounds instructors were evenly divided as to whether I should get a 190 or 210 for a first canopy. Canopies aren't any slower today. Brian Germain's Wingloading Never Exceed table lists 209 square feet as the absolute minimum for a 209 pound exit weight at 20 jumps and recommends a 230. 40 jumps changes the minimum to 203 and the recommened remains at 230. Of course this disregards how Ironmanjay got to the 190 - going directly from a 288 Manta to the 190 would not have been prudent. Quote A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? I saw a guy fracture his L4, cocyx, pelvis, and sacrum at less than one pound per square foot (low turn) and a girl break her ankle under a 295 Skymaster (failure to flare). Going big only reduces the chance of injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 January 9, 2007 Quote... But if 190 sq. ft. isn't big enough for him, what size do you recommend? A Manta 300 at 1.7? Would that guarantee safe landings without injury? I love the way you twist things...are you a lawyer? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #12 January 9, 2007 Quote>You seem to be assuming that the size of the parachute is responsible for the twisted ankle. It is not responsible for the twisted ankle; most likely technique is. But since most skydivers do not start their skydiving careers with the canopy skills of Brian Germain, it is wise to stay on larger canopy sizes until they can land smaller sizes safely. A twisted ankle under a 190 becomes a mere hard landing under a 210 - and might be a broken femur under a 175. My thoughts exactly. Thanks Bill Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironmanjay 0 #13 January 9, 2007 I think the most important part of this was that I discussed what happened with my instructor and I am aware of what I could have done differently and what I WILL do next time. That will allow for a safer and proprer landing. And just to add to it this was not the first time I landed a 190.I had been jumping this 190 for at least the last 8 jumps. I just messed up this time and glad that it was only my ankle that suffered Thanks everybody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #14 January 9, 2007 QuoteI discussed what happened with my instructor and I am aware of what I could have done differently and what I WILL do next time. Now your talkin'........ Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 January 9, 2007 QuoteI saw a guy fracture his L4, cocyx, pelvis, and sacrum at less than one pound per square foot (low turn) and a girl break her ankle under a 295 Skymaster (failure to flare). Correct. And that was my point. With poor technique, you can still get hurt regardless of how large your canopy is. Therefore, a big canopy is not a panacea to prevent injury. Proper technique is what's really needed, no matter what size canopy is being jumped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #16 January 9, 2007 >Therefore, a big canopy is not a panacea to prevent injury. It's a pretty good solution. That's why first jump students can land on their own - they can screw up four ways and still land without injury under that big canopy. Of course, if they screw up five ways, they're still gonna get hurt. Compare that to a more heavily loaded canopy, where a single mistake results in an injury. Such canopies should be avoided until the jumper has the skill to NOT make such mistakes. >Proper technique is what's really needed, no matter what size >canopy is being jumped. And a larger canopy can keep someone who screws up alive so they can learn from their mistake, and develop that proper technique. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hayfield 0 #17 January 10, 2007 Congrats on the A dude. HIM, HIM, FUCK HIM! If you're who i think, cya at the ranch."Remember the First Commandment: Don't Fuck Up!" -Crusty Old Pete Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
