floridadiver81 0 #1 January 16, 2007 I want it to be known that i am sorry for saying the things i said in my thread about my level 2 AFF to AFFI(mykel). I do want it to be know, though, that its not respectable to directly insult someone while giving constructive critism. I know i screwed up and it turned out good this time. It may not next time and im aware of that. Due to the events of that jump and the replies to the other thread it is pretty burned in my brain to pull when no instructors are present. I welcome constructive critisism....i do not welcome direct insults and judgement of character...especially coming from anyone who was not there to experiance the situation and doesnt know me in person. Again...im sorry mykel. Edited to add: Im sorry if this is posted in the wrong forum but it pertains to a thread that orginally started here so mods move it if it doesnt apply to this forum."Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #2 January 16, 2007 No worries... And I am sorry for using such strong language. In fact, sent a PM's a few friends to see if they thought my language was too strong. I am known at my DZ as the Drill Sergeant because I instruct with an Iron Fist, was raised by a DI and often times my methods can be a little overpowering, but I am told, very effective. I have 5 years of full time instructing and almost 500 student jumps, so I am not terribly experienced as an instructor and love to see students do well in freefall and take care of their business like champs, in fact little in life means more to me. So a large part of me feels very proud of you - at the same time I wanted to drive home the fact is that the methods of instruction and the way it is taught is in place for reason that were developed by the millions of skydives that came before us and they are intended to create skydivers that are safe and not a hazard to themselves and others around them. It is my sincerest hope that you become a safe competent skydiver. Humility paves the way there quicker than feeding tubes... Blue skies, and feel free to PM me anytime...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #3 January 16, 2007 OK..i just wanted to make sure there wasnt any animosity or anything becasue you did actually sound pissed off...lol. But its all good. If ya ever want to come to the states to jump stop by florida "Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #4 January 16, 2007 QuoteOK..i just wanted to make sure there wasnt any animosity or anything becasue you did actually sound pissed off...lol. But its all good. If ya ever want to come to the states to jump stop by florida Psssst.... he lives in Texas. Only the Texans think it's another country."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icevideot 0 #5 January 16, 2007 Texico? "... this ain't a Nerf world." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #6 January 16, 2007 QuoteDue to the events of that jump and the replies to the other thread it is pretty burned in my brain to pull when no instructors are present. Yeah thats all fine and dandy but the rules just changed -- Lvl 3 they are going to let go and you won't see them (unless you start turning) comfortable / in control/ altitude aware --- continue on! I wouldn't worry to much about what is said on here -- if your instructors passed you -- you did fine Everybodies opinions are like assholes --- we all have one and the only one that matters is your instructors at this time. I still wonder where they were though??????????????? The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #7 January 16, 2007 Quote I still wonder where they were though??????????????? My decent rate was VERY fast...it was noted in my logbook at 150 mph. When my main side lost his grip he tried coming back to dock again but he overshot the spot and flew kinda above me but behind me..and when he came up my reserve instructor put his hand up to stop him from colliding with me and he lost the one grip he had on me..then from what they told me during the debrief i just took off and they coudlnt safely get down to me to redock. They had me in view becasue they were reviewing each others video before they debriefed me becasue thats when they noted that i was flyign solo with very good stability. they were around me just not able to catch up to me due to my decent rate being hella faster than them. I guess i arched too much...lol"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #8 January 16, 2007 >Lvl 3 they are going to let go and you won't see them (unless you start turning) Most AFF level 3's have the student do COA's periodically. They would see the instructors at that point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #9 January 16, 2007 They probably should have weighted up more before going out with you, or chosen different instructors. One good thing about your not pulling immediately is that the instructors both had plenty of time to get out of your way. From that point of view, it was a good result -- had you pulled right away, one or the other might have been closer and more likely to come into contact. I can see why, given the circumstances, they passed you. But the correct execution includes them being there, and being compatible enough with you to re-dock on level if one or the other falls off. What are the plans for your next jump? You should not continue to jump there if there are no instructors who can fall comfortably through your entire properly jumpsuited range. Because their job is to help you control your freefall, and they can't do that if they can't reach you. Obviously this is only my opinion, and my AFF rating expired a really long time ago. But, well, some learning doesn't leave. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #10 January 16, 2007 Actually they are going to have me wear a bigger jumpsuit. I wore the same suit that i wore my level 1 aff. But then again i had two totally different instructors than i did with level 1. It didnt help that my arm position was off a little which they told me caused me to fall faster. again..i couldnt see the video so i cant tell ya what they were seeing. I was told that my arms were in more than they should be..but it didnt throw my stability off. Just something to work on for level three when its supposed to be a release dive."Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #11 January 16, 2007 Wait... are you saying that video was taken but they won't share it with you because you didn't pay for it? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #12 January 16, 2007 They probably don't want it floating around the internet, especially with him giving them the slip... "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #13 January 16, 2007 QuoteThey probably don't want it floating around the internet, especially with him giving them the slip... I'm not saying they need to give it to him. But it would seem to me that a student would only have to pay for outside video, not pay to see video taken by the AFFIs themselves. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccsayre 0 #14 January 16, 2007 I agree with AFFI's thoughts. But as mentioned previously, your JM's really messed up. On level 2 they should not have let that situation happen. If you had not been stable, you could have increased your fall rate more & if they needed to pull for you, well, you did good! Luck is Preparation meeting Opportunity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #15 January 16, 2007 edit: NM miss read...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #16 January 16, 2007 No, lose some weight porky If you need to borrow my suit let me know. If it slows me down then you'll be good to gohttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #17 January 16, 2007 2floridadiver81 What is your exit weight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #18 January 16, 2007 QuoteNo, lose some weight porky If you need to borrow my suit let me know. If it slows me down then you'll be good to go What would you use then???"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #19 January 16, 2007 QuoteMost AFF level 3's have the student do COA's periodically. They would see the instructors at that point. I have never seen a dive flow that has COAs after the instructors have released ---- COAs where you tell the instructor the altitude that is so not to be confused with a short COA (ground is down, sky is up, heading and alti check) The last thing I want on a students first release dive is them looking for me and not paying attention to altitude and heading. Now I could be wrong and you are just talking about after exit and not after release??? The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #20 January 17, 2007 Quote2floridadiver81 What is your exit weight? Well..my body weight is 208 fully clothed...im not sure how much the student rig weighs. I know its a vector container with a Maverone main. Not sure of anything else?"Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #21 January 17, 2007 150 mph? How did you do this? Were you bent in half? My fastest fall rate I ever reached was 138 mph @ 260 lbs of exit weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #22 January 17, 2007 QuoteYeah thats all fine and dandy but the rules just changed -- Lvl 3 they are going to let go and you won't see them (unless you start turning) comfortable / in control/ altitude aware --- continue on! I was thinking the same thing. But if I were him, I'd still get some better instructors........ Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #23 January 17, 2007 How tall are you? Reading between the lines of your posts, perhaps the instructors are just estimating your speed, on the fast side just for exaggeration effect. You were likely not falling that fast. You've got one of the most important things to have for good flying at your level, confidence.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
floridadiver81 0 #24 January 17, 2007 Quote150 mph? How did you do this? Were you bent in half? My fastest fall rate I ever reached was 138 mph @ 260 lbs of exit weight. Well..thats what was written on my logbook. When i get my webcam connected ill take a picture of it if you wnat me to. Its an estimation as i was only wearing a normal altimeter."Age has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge, learning, respect, attitude, or personality." -yardhippie "Fight the air, and the air will kick your ass!!! "-Specialkaye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lokhmaty 0 #25 January 17, 2007 So, you do not really know what your real speed was then. Just an estimation from your instructors. I bet it was not faster than 125-130 mph. However it is not that important as FF sequence itself. Did your instructors ever tell you what to do if you found yourself alone in FF? I am sure yes, but you never told us what exactly they told you to do. (point me, if I miss somesing) Please, let us know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
