skydivezimbabwe 0 #1 January 13, 2007 So everybody likes to see a good swoop, a nice carve and a long surf. But when the boys and girls start to imitate the master blasters how do you explain to them that its not such a hot idea - since you're in Central Africa and the nearest broken skydiver shop is a 1000 clicks away. Its a multi-national crowd joining us for 7 days in April. Its going to be warm at a high dropzone (3000 AMSL) which means the air density is more like 5000 feet. The Russians are going to be watching the French watching the South Africans and before you know it they're going to be ripping those turns. Then somebody is going to get tatty, more than likely the 300 jump evil-knevil trying to make out on his 135. So how do you try keep it safe?Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #2 January 13, 2007 I heard this by the organizer at a Boogie once: "If you're gonna hook it low, please do it over by the dumpster."Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #3 January 13, 2007 Rob It's simple to resolve and monitor, have a dedicated ground crew person and state in the safety meeting that no turn past 90 degrees will be permitted, if a jumper does a turn over 90 degrees, then it's a full day on the ground for them. Trust me you'll have a handful of people laugh you off, until you ground the first few people who refuse to understand. In the end of the day the success and safety of this boogie is in your hands and if you need to be a heavy handed then so be it. I have been to boogies and events where world champion skydivers have been grounded for breaking the rules, and after that it was a heads up to every jumper. Lets face it if it's a free for all, and a monkey see monkey do scenario, you will be the one left with the logistical nightmare of trying to get the injured person to the right people etc for treatment. Simple Rules: 1. No more than a 90 degree turn onto final 2. First man down sets pattern into the wind, rest of load follows 3. Report back to manifest after jump, failure to do so is a grounding 4. No spiraling through pattern 5. Have fun and be safe just my random thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #4 January 13, 2007 Shoot the first one before he hits the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #5 January 13, 2007 QuoteSo how do you try keep it safe? Tell them that getting treated in a local hospital could result in a very (HIV) postive experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #6 January 13, 2007 With a public message board that lists skydivers that have been grounded for the day as a warning, and then with a pair of scissors to cut off the wristbands of second offenders who are then banned from the event. No wristband, no jump. It's the way they run the Hercules Boogie in Sweden and it works like a charm. If you're not going to have automation to track the jumpers, just mark the wristband with a red permanent marker to quickly identify people who don't need to be talked to, but simply have their wristbands cut off. No appeals either. (Yes, I got a warning for hooking at the Herc Boogie. I just thought I was selecting my landing spot clear of other traffic, but no appeals, no whining) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 January 13, 2007 Is there a fence to keep out the wildlife??? Make the swoop area outside the fence...where the big kitties live. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #8 January 14, 2007 QuoteIs there a fence to keep out the wildlife??? Make the swoop area outside the fence...where the big kitties live. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivezimbabwe 0 #9 January 14, 2007 Make the swoop area outside the fence...where the big kitties live. We will let them know that the golf course water hazards are home to Nile Crocodiles...Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivezimbabwe 0 #10 January 14, 2007 I like the full day grounding warning. I might set up a seperate swoop area and restrict access. Since it's a big dropzone the world champions can hold their own splat competition. The rest of the crew stick to the rules. The report back to manifest rule is especially important since the big kittys are scared of the crocodiles who are scared of the hippos who are scared of the elephants. I have just been to a boogie on a Mozambiquan island where on the return from the dropzone we picked up a chick who had been wandering in the sand dunes for the last three loads. Nobody noticed she was missing and that place was surrounded by shark infested waters. I was pointing out bull sharks cruising the shallows to my pax as we were coming in on finals.Rob-By Check it out at http://www.skydive.co.zw Clicky! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #11 January 14, 2007 I'll second what that soet peel kaerodyne has said. I'd also make it a point to tell each person during registration that medical help is not readily available and that if they get hurt there is a good chance they will be eaten by wildlife or die from their injuries. Sometimes people need to hear the grim truth of the situation to get through to them. I will also say that the check in after the load method works but you need a way of keeping track. If each person has a boogie ID card with their name on it that they have to pick up after they get down, it is very easy to see who specifically hasn't returned. If you are running back to back loads, it might be a good idea to have a brief shutdown/pause after every second load to catch up and make sure no one is still wandering around the bush from a previous load."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #12 January 14, 2007 QuoteMake the swoop area outside the fence...where the big kitties live. We will let them know that the golf course water hazards are home to Nile Crocodiles... Now THAT would make for a competition event ! I had been thinking a nice picture of some vultures feating on some nice boney red meat might help. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #13 January 14, 2007 Quote soet peel er... good try but i think what you wrote means something different from what you meant to ...Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #14 January 14, 2007 QuoteI'll second what that soet peel kaerodyne has said. Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #15 January 14, 2007 > no turn past 90 degrees will be permitted, if a jumper does a turn >over 90 degrees, then it's a full day on the ground for them. Good idea, but it will merely reduce the problem, not eliminate it. A swooper will hear that rule and think "oh, some noobs are scared of swooping. I'll wait until the last day before I go big - then who cares if I get grounded?" I've seen this happen before (unfortunately.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #16 January 14, 2007 "If you break a leg, it'll take two days to get you to a hospital. If you haven't died first. Oh, and 20% of the population are HIV+." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuote soet peel er... good try but i think what you wrote means something different from what you meant to ... Uh...I just Googled the words in the context of Afrikaans OMFG mmmph.... mmmmph.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #18 January 15, 2007 Hey Rob, Africa's no place for sissies. If you want to protect them, tell them to wear sunblock. I don't think you should worry too much about the low turn stuff. They all know this is an exotic boogie in an exotic location. Sometimes a hook gone bad is the least of the problems at an African Boogie. My wildlife experiences at Phalaborwa and the "Don't land in the minefield" chat at Vic falls put this into perspective nicely. Telling Russians what to do never works out well, and the fatal at Nylstroom a few years back after the density altitude briefing pointed that out rather well. South Africans... well.. you know us well enough to know the answer to that one, and I recall at least one French world champion being picked out of a barbed wire fence at Mmabatho to know they know enough not to listen to us. Run a nice exotic boogie. Provide nice food, accomodation, aircraft and views. When people break - they'e not really part of the boogie anymore, and I'm sure they'll find their own way of solving any problems they may come across. Hope the boogie goes well for you and we hear some of the stories that come out of it. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #19 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuote soet peel er... good try but i think what you wrote means something different from what you meant to ... In fact the the term Soet Peel and Rooi Nek come from the terms used by the early dutch settlers in South Africa, also known as Afrikaaners to describe the English who settled there. Rooi Nek = Red Neck, it was evident that during their time in South Africa the British would get sunburnt, and mainly on the neck. During the Anglo Boer War, the Boers could tell a Brit due to the Rooi Nek. Soet Peel = Salt Cock, is a term used for the British who had settled in South Africa but still had ties to Britain and tried to live the English lifestyle in South Africa. The meaning was that they had one foot in Britain and the other in Africa and in so doing their balls hung in the ocean (salt water). So to be calling me a Soet Peel, is in a way a correct term, as I'm an English speaking South African who has a direct family tie to the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
za_skydiver 0 #20 January 15, 2007 sout piel maybe? soet is sweet and the ocean is salty not sweet Some dream of flying, i live the dream... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #21 January 15, 2007 yeah but Karl has a sweet c*ck Now don't you dare ask me how I know that scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #22 January 15, 2007 Quoteyeah but Karl has a sweet c*ck Now don't you dare ask me how I know that BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i can't believe you just posted that! Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #23 January 15, 2007 QuoteBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i can't believe you just posted that! trying to get some Aerodyne sponsoring No I did NOT say cockring. Besides that, to get back on subject, plainly explain that : -hospitals are far away -hygiene and quality are certainly not the standards they are used to Simply the panel at the Johannesburg Skydiving Club manifest was quite a good warning enough for me : Warning, JSC is a high altitude dropzone. Hookturn at your own risks. (or something like that) I know I'd take some extra care.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #24 January 15, 2007 Quoteyeah but Karl has a sweet c*ck Now don't you dare ask me how I know that ROTFLMAO ... I cannot believe you remember that statement, it's been like three years almost since I last saw you in PMB for the boogie. And the person (girl) who made that statement I have not seen for over a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #25 January 15, 2007 QuoteQuoteyeah but Karl has a sweet c*ck Now don't you dare ask me how I know that BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i can't believe you just posted that! I rest my case, the truth has been told ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
