gravityizsexy 0 #1 September 22, 2004 Just wondering... has there ever been one. or an unreported incident anyone knows about? "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #2 September 22, 2004 You could try searching the forum for total mal, or double mal, or doub;t chute failure... This forum is usually for incidents that have happened, and I think General Skydiving is where this one belongs. -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #3 September 22, 2004 There have been three or four that I can think of off the top of my head over the past 15 years or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #4 September 22, 2004 was foul play involved? wrong opening positions? bad packing? I'm not expecting you to know.... but I'd like to know is this something that could just happen or what... -Tony "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #5 September 22, 2004 You can do everything right and die skydiving. I repeat -- you can do everything right and die skydiving. The only fatal reserve total malfunction I know of, the guy probably cut away from a good canopy. You can undoubtedly find something wrong with performance on every single jump, if you're looking for a reason. Gear is reliable. Carefully-packed well-maintained gear is more reliable, especially in the hands of a well-trained skydiver. A good rigger to pack your reserve is an essential backup. Gear is not, however, perfect. A harness can break through a previously unforeseen defect; a reserve can fail to open because of a defective grommet or a bent reserve ripcord pin -- any number of things can happen. It's extremely rare -- far less than 1/year. Far more people per year screw up when they thought they wouldn't. You have to educate yourself about the risks, and then accept the ones you can't prevent or minimize. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #6 September 22, 2004 You're a student with a Stiletto? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #7 September 22, 2004 >>Just wondering... has there ever been one. or an unreported incident anyone knows about?<< This is a very normal question from someone just beginning to jump, and a question all first jump Instructors get from time to time. After you have made a few more jumps you will start to focus on the more likely things that might happen. However, there are a few different ways to answer this according to the way you asked it. I think you are asking; Has a main parachute malfunctioned and then the reserve parachute malfunction too? The short answer is yes. On the other hand if you are asking; Is it possible, when I'm doing everything right, to deploy my main parachute, have it blow up, then after performing the correct emergency procedures, have my reserve blow up too? The short answer is also yes. Some Instructors will insert, "that's why it's called skydiving," here. And not to be flippant about it, but to get you started on the road to understanding the realities of jumping. The second scenario is rare these days. I do remember a certain rig in the mid-1970 that had a design flaw in how the reserve risers were attached to the main harness. A half dozen, or so, jumpers who cutaway malfunctioning main parachutes with this rig, deployed their reserves, only to have one of the reserve risers separate from the harness. This was in the pre-internet days when word got around much more slowly. The first scenario has happened many times, but it's a matter of degree, and it doesn't always result in a fatality. I think many (including myself) have landed damaged reserves after main parachute malfunctions. However, this seemed to happen more often when we carried round reserve parachutes back in the old days. At your level this may be a bit much for you to grasp, but something I've always told people a bit more experienced is always plan every jump so you end up landing under your reserve parachute. That means always leaving yourself the time and opportunity to use it, and to only think of your main parachute as something you throw out there to slow yourself down enough to avoid a terminal velocity reserve opening. If the main works, fine, go have some fun, if not, you're in good shape for what comes next. If the double-failure-fatality mode is really bothering you to the point of distraction then discuss it with your Instructor. He or she won't mind one bit . . . Nick BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #8 September 22, 2004 put in the order today.... along with my container. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #9 September 22, 2004 k, well thank you everybody... definitly got my question answered. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #10 September 23, 2004 Quoteput in the order today.... along with my container. I sure hope you've gotten about 200 jumps since you got off of student status if you're ordering a Stiletto.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #11 September 23, 2004 "Trollin' trollin' trollin', Though the streams are swollen, Keep them doggies trollin', Trollhide! Troll em' on, Troll em' up, Troll em' on, Trollhide! Troll em' out Troll em' in Troll em' out, Troll em' in TROLLHIDE!" And if you're not... seriously dude - tell your AFF instructor you just ordered a Stiletto. Then ring PD and tell them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #12 September 23, 2004 QuoteYou have to educate yourself about the risks, and then accept the ones you can't prevent or minimize. This question usually comes up when new people have done that. They've thought of every problem that they know of and this is the only one without a solution. So they try to get assurance that it rarely happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #13 September 23, 2004 Quoteput in the order today.... along with my container. Then you will soon be posting in the Incidents forum again.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #14 September 23, 2004 QuoteJust wondering... has there ever been one. or an unreported incident anyone knows about? I seem to recall one in Georgia years ago that happened on a night jump. Guy had a double mal, but landed in a tree. I don't remember what injuries he had but he survived and went back to jumping for several more years. Haven't seen him in some time though. Don't even remember his name. I think it was at the old Waycross DZ. Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mojo280 0 #15 September 24, 2004 I was doing a tandem and I had tension knots on my main that I couldn't fix... chopped it... and had tension knots on my reserve. So, yes poo-poo does happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilith 0 #16 September 28, 2004 QuoteJust wondering... has there ever been one. or an unreported incident anyone knows about? Hi! I'm a student... just like you, even the same amount of jumps... and I have heard about Stiletto... bit concerned for you considering experience in canopy control. I would recommend you talk to your Instructor, perhaps you're extra talented but... considering is your life, make sure you take steps in its due time! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #17 September 28, 2004 Quoteput in the order today.... along with my container. Being from the greater Jacksonville area also, I really would like to know who you placed this order with, I need to make sure none of my students are led doen that road. Getting back to your question, I have seen a couple. None resulting in any serious injuries. Two, where the reserve split upon openning and one line over. I have been involved in and seen several main/reserve entanglements also, so yes they happen. All were preventable by following better procedures.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #18 September 28, 2004 I just left a voice message with his instructor. I know his instructor well, and assure you he's not aware of this purchase. Hopefully this is a joke, or there's more to the story than we know...I hope... Sorry to be the bad guy dude... but think about it, there's a reason why everybody here is reacting the way they are. JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crutch 0 #19 September 28, 2004 Thanks Jeff, this way if he comes down our way, I don't have to write the accident report.blue skies, art Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
