question on getting into flying with a camera

[billvon 3,090]

>So its all about the snag points.

No, it's not. I recommend re-reading the thread.

>Does that mean that a helmet with a mini cam (lipstick cam)
> mounted on top would be ok for someone with less than 200
>jumps to have . . .

No. That would be just as bad as a larger sidemount camera in a camera case.

[quade 4]

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Are you familiar with the concept of Schrödinger's cat?

No I wasn't. But I don't see how this has anything to do with flying camera.

Because;

1) It's a binary state; either you are or are not wearing a camera. You can not simulateously place the camera on your own body and not be aware of it.

2) Being aware of the camera, then changes the way you deal with the preparation and skydive.

You had said, "The moment you start caring - even subconsciously - then your flying will change."

I replied, "Which is why it DOES affect the outcome everytime you put on a camera."

Sorry if you can't see the correlation.

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[shropshire 0]

That's not what Bill has been saying (and I'm pursuaded)... I have my Bullet Cam Inside my helmet (no snag point)... but need to wait before jumping it again now.

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[Andy_Copland 0]

Why do you need to wait?

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[CygnusX-1 43]

1) Ok, I understand now the reference to the cat. (Although disappointed that we cannot get a side argument going about the fate of the cat.)

Let me explain my thoughts a little bit differently. Almost every day I get up and put on a pair of briefs. I’ll let you decide which days I’m not wearing them. Anyway, back to my point. Throughout the day I do not think about the fact that I am wearing them. It does not alter the way I act. But yet I’m wearing them. Binary situation with no real change in the outcome. I have placed underwear on my body and at the same time I’m not aware of it. How many times today have you though about the fact that you are either wearing underwear or not? Does wearing underwear or not make any difference in the way we jump?

Ok I know I took this a little bit further then everybody wants to know. To put it another way: from the time of exit until the time to deploy, I am not aware that I have an Optima. I’m not aware that I have a helmet on. I’m not aware that I have a rig on. And I’m not aware that I have a camera on. My main and pretty much only focus is on the jump. How do I get to the next point? Where is everybody else and what are they doing? Is there anything I need to do to make this jump successful. Everything else is just tools and/or things to keep me safe. I don’t actively think about them in the skydive. Whether I think about them subconsciously or not I can’t tell you. But I don’t see any difference in my performance between the times when I have my camera on and when I have it off.

But that is just me. I cannot speak for anybody else.

Jim

[billvon 3,090]

>Throughout the day I do not think about the fact that I am wearing
>[underwear]. It does not alter the way I act. But yet I’m wearing them.

If you are like most people, you do not have to aim your underwear. If you did, it would alter the way you walked.

Likewise, if you jumped with a camera helmet with no camera in its box, it would probably not affect how you jump. But once you add a working camera, you now have to aim it. And I don't care how much you are going to tell yourself you are NOT going to aim it - you are.

That's why camera jumps are not just another jump - and also why demos are not just another jump.

[PhreeZone 20]

If you want to test your thought process on your audible have some one take it from your helmet at a random time peroid and see if you are now not late in breaking off or have to glance at your altimeter during your track more then if you had it beeping in your ear. Over time things like glancing for an altimeter or waiting for a beep to track away become habit. you say you do not pay attention to them but in their absence something feels off and differnt and you can't usually just overlook it.

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[Liemberg 0]

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from the time of exit until the time to deploy

But, to take it back to the "getting dressed for succes" analogy - the skydive starts earlier than the exit. Even if you would be able to "forget about your camera", you still have to make sure there's film in it, it is turned on, has enough power, is "zoomed out", has the manual focus @ the right distance, is aiming in alignment with your eyes etcetera. And the last time I looked it was rather hard to park an airplane @ 9000ft at the exitpoint for a couple of minutes untill I was completely ready to skydive...

Furthermore, in the words of the dutch writer Cees Nooteboom :

"Memory is like a dog, it lays down where it wants..."

What he ment by that was that all efforts to conciously forget things are doomed from the start and a contradiction in terms.

People cannot conciously forget things.

"Must remember to forget about the camera"
"Must remember to forget about the camera"
"Must remember to forget about the camera"



In reality every "young grashopper" I saw strapping on a camera for the first time started out with forgetting to fly his body "while keeping his head still" or was moving his head on a swivel while flying his body.

Both produces lousy video.

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