ntrprnr 0 #1 January 30, 2007 Normal jump the other day. Breakoff at 5,000, track, open at 4,000. Things you don't want to catch yourself saying after opening: "Whoa - Hello there. You're coming straight towards me, time for evasive action." Newbie tracked up the line of flight, (his first jump after graduating AFF) and as soon as I was open and looking straight ahead, he was coming right for me. Hard riser turn on my part took us far enough apart to not cause any grief, (knock on wood,) but it was a spine-tickler for a few seconds. Upon landing, we talked, and I explained line-of-flight again - also ended with "chat with your instructor about this, though - it'll help." He was gracious and apologetic - but yet again, just shows why we don't need to look up at our canopy during deployment. We should be looking AROUND. We can look up after our initial check/inspection of the air around us. Whew. -Peter_______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #2 January 30, 2007 Did the newb correct to the right under canopy as well? what would you contribute this to?...lack of training...poor retention of the info during training..etc etc??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #3 January 30, 2007 QuoteDid the newb correct to the right under canopy as well? what would you contribute this to?...lack of training...poor retention of the info during training..etc etc??? I think it was just his first jump post AFF - no instructor, etc. Was an honest mistake. We've all done it. I'm glad it happened to him during his first jump. It won't happen again._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamsam 0 #4 January 30, 2007 Amen. I see a lot of a deployments on video where people are watching their canopy deploy, instead of checking their airspace. Not the way I'm gonna save my life. You can feel how your own canopy is opening, eyes better used elsewhere. Well done for using yours . but what do I know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #5 January 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteDid the newb correct to the right under canopy as well? what would you contribute this to?...lack of training...poor retention of the info during training..etc etc??? I think it was just his first jump post AFF - no instructor, etc. Was an honest mistake. We've all done it. I'm glad it happened to him during his first jump. It won't happen again. I had several of those...probably good that they were mostly at a cessna DZ though. Less chance for something bad to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #6 January 31, 2007 He did pull hard right to get out of the way, but he took the time to unstow his toggle and did it with that, as opposed to risers, something else I brought to his attention when we were talking afterwards. I don't know what I can attribute it to - I don't know his training or what he did or didn't learn - I just hope I was able to offer some insight to him from which he can learn something._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #7 January 31, 2007 Sounds to me like an exit separation problem. It's hard to imagine that a jumper just off AFF is going to travel very far in a track, no matter which direction he's going. If he was following you, he should have allowed more time,and if you were following him, then it's you who left too soon. Obviously, I was not there. This is just my opinion based on your narritive. Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fonz 0 #8 January 31, 2007 Where I jump, jumpruns are mostly north or south due to prevalent winds aloft (same as Perris I think). In both cases, students and experienced jumpers new to the DZ alike are told to track in east or west direction and orientational landmarks are readily available. Shouldn't be a problem. AlphonsAnd five hundred entirely naked women dropped out of the sky on parachutes. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #9 February 1, 2007 Kevin, Your thinking that the newbie tracks like you.......... Of course if I had TWO F.U.P. I wouldn't tell anyone my track sucked See you at the 150 ways??Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thedarkside 0 #10 February 1, 2007 Quote Newbie tracked up the line of flight, (his first jump after graduating AFF) and as soon as I was open and looking straight ahead, he was coming right for me. Hard riser turn on my part took us far enough apart to not cause any grief, (knock on wood,) but it was a spine-tickler for a few seconds. Upon landing, we talked, and I explained line-of-flight again - also ended with "chat with your instructor about this, though - it'll help." He was gracious and apologetic - but yet again, just shows why we don't need to look up at our canopy during deployment. We should be looking AROUND. We can look up after our initial check/inspection of the air around us. Whew. -Peter This is a subject that can't be talked about enough. I had the same thing almost happen to me two weeks ago but take out newb and insert WELL experienced jumpers. Just because you gave yourself a bad spot please don't comprimise others by tracking up the line of flight and then pulling high while proceding to fly your canopy up the line of flight...I will make a new topic on this subject when I get some time.Keep going faster until the joy of speed overcomes the fear of death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 February 1, 2007 QuoteNormal jump the other day. Breakoff at 5,000, track, open at 4,000. Open a little lower and you run into fewer students. Open too low and you run into ants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #12 February 1, 2007 QuoteKevin, Your thinking that the newbie tracks like you.......... You mean upside down and in a circle ??_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #13 February 1, 2007 QuoteQuoteKevin, Your thinking that the newbie tracks like you.......... You mean upside down and in a circle ?? You too?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
