funkcanna 0 #1 February 14, 2007 Hi, i'm currently in the process of getting back into skydiving after almost 3 years away. I was still a beginner last time I jumped so will be even more so now. Someone is selling a rig with a 150 Stiletto in it. What is everyones thoughts on these canopies for a beginner? I weigh 12.5 stone (175 pounds) without gear, so not sure on my exit weight. Any advice will be much appreciated!!To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #2 February 14, 2007 The PD Stilleto is a HP canopy (not for beginners)."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbunky 3 #3 February 14, 2007 a 1.33 wingloading on an elliptical for a beginner can't be a good idea. "Hang on a sec, the young'uns are throwin' beer cans at a golf cart." MB4252 TDS699 killing threads since 2001 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #4 February 14, 2007 Everyone (with any sense) on this forum will tell you that canopy is a very unwise choice. Hopefully, your instructors will tell you the same. Cheers, Kevin_____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 February 14, 2007 You are positively not qualified to jump that canopy. Chuck Blue AFFI/SLI/TMI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #6 February 14, 2007 Wingloading 1.16. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #7 February 14, 2007 Thanks for the replies guys! Thats pretty much what I thought! Any recommendations on size and type of canopy I should be looking for?To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #8 February 14, 2007 QuoteWingloading 1.16.that would be for jumping naked without a rig. Add around 25lbs for gear, you now have 200lbs, wingloading 1.33scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #9 February 14, 2007 Stilettos??? NO!! Sabres are good canopies. I weigh 225 Pounds (More with gear) I jumped a Sabre 190 for 800 jumps before I downsized to my stiletto 150 steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
michalm21 2 #10 February 14, 2007 little off topic (sorry for jacking) I met a kid with 80 jumps jumping Stilletto 170 (his exit weight around mine ~190-195lbs) Kid jsut bought Katana 120 and wanted to downsize - the DZ obviously didnt let him even consider jumping it. How he got it is beyond my comprehension (jacking the thread over) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #11 February 14, 2007 Bad idea But I think you already got the idea from others. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #12 February 14, 2007 That stiletto would probably kill you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,088 #13 February 14, 2007 >What is everyones thoughts on these canopies for a beginner? Ask your instructor; he will probably suggest a student rig. After 3 years I'd go with whatever the DZ uses for first-time jumpers. Generally that will be a Navigator-style canopy between 220 and 280 square feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #14 February 14, 2007 QuoteYou are positively not qualified to jump that canopy. Chuck Blue AFFI/SLI/TMI Quoted to help drive that point home.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #15 February 14, 2007 Your exit weight will be just about 200lb. Size-wise, for your first rig, you'd most likely be looking at a 190-210. Some good canopies: Sabre2, Safire2, Spectre, Pilot, Triathlon, Sabre. However, as Bill says, you may have to do some jumps on the student/rental gear at your DZ when you get back in the sky. It'd be worth talking to the CCI before making any hasty purchases. He or she will have a good idea of what suits you, particularly as they've seen you fly. Welcome back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kimemerson 7 #16 February 15, 2007 who's anna and what did she do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyingRedneck 0 #17 February 15, 2007 there arent nicknamed the spinetto for nothing.... and a 150 at WL of 1.3 ish with 20 jumps.... good luck with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #18 February 15, 2007 No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #19 February 15, 2007 No . . . And good on you for asking first. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #20 February 15, 2007 All you need a canopy that has decent opening and flying characteristics and you would have a decent WL that _not_ greater than 1.0. A Stiletto 150 does not fall into any of the categories above and that would not be either fun for you. You need a canopy that opens a fire-and-forget way. You throw PC and you got a perfect opening 99times from 100 and the last would be just funny and not spinning or diving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #21 February 15, 2007 Thanks for all the replies guys. Yeah, I do intend on jumping the student rigs first!To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #22 February 15, 2007 QuoteThanks for all the replies guys. Yeah, I do intend on jumping the student rigs first!do you realise that this canopy at that loading would still be considered aggressive in 500jumps ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #23 February 15, 2007 Yeah mate I do now!! I wont be jumping it! :)To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fonz 0 #24 February 15, 2007 Just curious: does the USPA have any rules/regulations/guidelines regarding canopy selection? Here in Holland, a person with the OP's jump numbers (or mine, for that matter) simply isn't allowed to jump a Stiletto or similar elliptical canopy, of any given size. Our national association has rules for that. AlphonsAnd five hundred entirely naked women dropped out of the sky on parachutes. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kris2extreme 0 #25 February 15, 2007 QuoteJust curious: does the USPA have any rules/regulations/guidelines regarding canopy selection? Here in Holland, a person with the OP's jump numbers (or mine, for that matter) simply isn't allowed to jump a Stiletto or similar elliptical canopy, of any given size. Our national association has rules for that. No, they currently do not... and I personally hope they don't ever. I'm a firm believer in self regulation, and a very big opponent of standardization based on jump numbers rather than individual ability. People should be educated enough to understand why/why not they should be jumping a particular canopy type or size, and those who just don't get the education, can't comprehend it, or just flat out don't care about it, should be regulated by their peers. While I do not like to see anyone get hurt, this sport has a way of weeding out the people who really don't have the physical, mental, or common sense abilities for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kimemerson 7 #16 February 15, 2007 who's anna and what did she do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRedneck 0 #17 February 15, 2007 there arent nicknamed the spinetto for nothing.... and a 150 at WL of 1.3 ish with 20 jumps.... good luck with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #19 February 15, 2007 No . . . And good on you for asking first. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #20 February 15, 2007 All you need a canopy that has decent opening and flying characteristics and you would have a decent WL that _not_ greater than 1.0. A Stiletto 150 does not fall into any of the categories above and that would not be either fun for you. You need a canopy that opens a fire-and-forget way. You throw PC and you got a perfect opening 99times from 100 and the last would be just funny and not spinning or diving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #21 February 15, 2007 Thanks for all the replies guys. Yeah, I do intend on jumping the student rigs first!To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #22 February 15, 2007 QuoteThanks for all the replies guys. Yeah, I do intend on jumping the student rigs first!do you realise that this canopy at that loading would still be considered aggressive in 500jumps ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #23 February 15, 2007 Yeah mate I do now!! I wont be jumping it! :)To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fonz 0 #24 February 15, 2007 Just curious: does the USPA have any rules/regulations/guidelines regarding canopy selection? Here in Holland, a person with the OP's jump numbers (or mine, for that matter) simply isn't allowed to jump a Stiletto or similar elliptical canopy, of any given size. Our national association has rules for that. AlphonsAnd five hundred entirely naked women dropped out of the sky on parachutes. -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kris2extreme 0 #25 February 15, 2007 QuoteJust curious: does the USPA have any rules/regulations/guidelines regarding canopy selection? Here in Holland, a person with the OP's jump numbers (or mine, for that matter) simply isn't allowed to jump a Stiletto or similar elliptical canopy, of any given size. Our national association has rules for that. No, they currently do not... and I personally hope they don't ever. I'm a firm believer in self regulation, and a very big opponent of standardization based on jump numbers rather than individual ability. People should be educated enough to understand why/why not they should be jumping a particular canopy type or size, and those who just don't get the education, can't comprehend it, or just flat out don't care about it, should be regulated by their peers. While I do not like to see anyone get hurt, this sport has a way of weeding out the people who really don't have the physical, mental, or common sense abilities for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
