firstime 0 #1 October 7, 2004 I did a 2 way this weekend and the plan was break and track @ 4500. I turned, tracked and just before deploying I generally like to turn to see my jump buddy. I looked left, right, below but not up. Well I spent too much time looking around and yes I lost altitude awareness. I ended up pulling at 2500. thats is low for me and the lowest I have ever pulled.The guy I jumped with told me he pulled in place. He was safe from traffic and so was I but to say you are going to track and not. He didnt have any problems that would prompt his decision. I am just venting as the subject posts states,... it was a stupid mistake for wasting too much time looking for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #2 October 7, 2004 we all make stupid mistakes. all of us. hopefully it doesnt kill us and we learn from it. looks like you learned from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cacophony 0 #3 October 7, 2004 You should always do as planned during a skydive. Your friend should have tracked if he said he was going to track. On a 2 way its not that huge of a deal that he didn't, simply a matter of principle. Sounds like you got a good wakeup call. Perhaps you should buy an audible? They help a whole lot and they wont let you forget your altitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #4 October 7, 2004 Yes a VERY big lesson learned Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #5 October 7, 2004 I had an audible for 4 jumps but due to my hearing impaired I dont hear it. The ditter has a frequency at approx 8k HZ (high pitch) my hearing shuts off @ 6k and in freefall the loss of hearing is componded. Therefore I was really stupid knowing my visual is my survival tool. I am done beating myself up and now I have become anal with alti awareness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #6 October 7, 2004 When tracking, no need to look for any one somebody. Track flat and far and ensure your airspace is clear left, right, front and below.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #7 October 7, 2004 QuoteWhen tracking, no need to look for any one somebody. Track flat and far and ensure your airspace is clear left, right, front and below. and most importantly, above Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #8 October 7, 2004 2500 should not be uncomfortably low for you, in my opinion. You might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #9 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. interesting??? I won't question it but will try it and if it works I owe you a case of beer and thats a promise. PS: I spoke to L&B to no avail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ahegeman 0 #10 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. Yeah - totally non-intuitive, but it worked for me, too. I can barely hear my audible without earplugs.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #11 October 7, 2004 I can also concentrate better with earplugs. Isn't there some visual/LED option for some audibles? I think the original Dytter (one tone) had it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #12 October 7, 2004 If anything, it should be a lesson that things happen very fast in freefall. But pulling at 2500 feet is not a "stupid" mistake. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #13 October 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. interesting??? I won't question it but will try it and if it works I owe you a case of beer and thats a promise. Earplugs tend to block out certain frequencies better than others. I didn't lose my ability to hear ambulances over the wind noise on the motorcycle, and the soundproofing of course reduces the overall numbing of the hearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #14 October 7, 2004 Quoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakflyer9999 1 #15 October 7, 2004 Quote Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that? I have a Time-Out Evolution 2000 that can be adjusted to different pitches. I too have hearing loss in the high frequency area, so I adjusted it down some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mhartboca 0 #16 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. do you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? I'd considered it, but because i never saw anyone do it and because i figured the rapid descent might cause discomfort i never have tried it... michaelMichael Hart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,584 #17 October 7, 2004 I wear earplugs on virtually every jump, from before I get on the plane until I get to the ground. No problems hearing the audible, the count, and most on-plane briefings and conversations. Quiet-spoken plane captains mean I take them out. Unless it's the Skyvan. It's way too noisy without earplugs. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj-seus 0 #18 October 7, 2004 howdy not trying to hijack the thread... but i thought i'd share a tip from years of experience in night-club dj'ing... if you are in a really loud situation, such as a skyvan, and you need to communicate with somebody, here's a little trick: first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) then, reach out with your thumb and 'close' their ear canal with that little piece of ear that kinda folds back to close the opening in the ear (dunno what it's called) and hold your thumb in place with their ear closed... you can now talk at a NORMAL speaking level and they will hear you crystal clear... the vibration of your voice travels down your arm and into their ear... an added benefit, you can talk very quiet and THEY will hear you, but nobody else will... try it -dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertmicp 0 #19 October 7, 2004 Quote first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) Would ask before touching, if not, you just might wake up in a very strange place wondering what happend. Just a safty tip, do want you want with it "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #20 October 8, 2004 I would like to begin with a huge thanks to "Marks' and Bigun for the "looking up".. Thanks sundevil for the earplug advice which alot of ppl agreed with. Freakflyer.. I will inquire about the "time out audible" and dj-seus.. the finger in the ear thingy, I'll try it but if I get my ass kicked I'll have a bone to pick with you. LMAO Blue skies all, will keep you all posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #21 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree. i dont think we have. but i have to say, with your experiance level you should know by now that "up" is where you need to worry about. ive been in quite a few positions where i could not deploy because the dive went to shit and there is someone obove you, you must look up. and i know your argument already. if you track flat and far and fast, there will be nobody above you. well i promise you, if i want to prove you wrong , i can. you should look above you, unless you know 100% wich direction everyone else on the dive is. or you will find yourself in a position one day where there was someone above you. and i hope for your sake and there's, that they dont hit you. im not trying to argue or bash. but why wouldnt you look above?. not all situations require you too. but sometimes you need too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #22 October 8, 2004 Quotedo you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? No problems at all. You of course have to be more aware under canopy as you can't hear others around you as well.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #23 October 8, 2004 I have already incororated a barrel roll prior to deployment in my skydive. My last post was to thank all who jumped in. I got spanked once, don't spank me again. The advice I recieve here or at the DZ is valuable and keeps me thinking more on every jump I might be posting on something more complex such as wing suit, base, big ways 2 or 3 yrs from now. I was just saying thank you for not letting me learn this on my own. If I ever jump with you (Marks) I will be able to narrate your jump because of your post. I am not stupid but just inexperienced thats why I try to ask questions that makes me & YOU safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #24 October 8, 2004 sorry "firstime" my last post was in reply to "bigun". i have also learned that same lesson you have. i wasnt trying to reply to you. my reply was to "biguns" post. read it above where he quoted me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #25 October 8, 2004 Like you said, you already know my argument.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Cacophony 0 #3 October 7, 2004 You should always do as planned during a skydive. Your friend should have tracked if he said he was going to track. On a 2 way its not that huge of a deal that he didn't, simply a matter of principle. Sounds like you got a good wakeup call. Perhaps you should buy an audible? They help a whole lot and they wont let you forget your altitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #4 October 7, 2004 Yes a VERY big lesson learned Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #5 October 7, 2004 I had an audible for 4 jumps but due to my hearing impaired I dont hear it. The ditter has a frequency at approx 8k HZ (high pitch) my hearing shuts off @ 6k and in freefall the loss of hearing is componded. Therefore I was really stupid knowing my visual is my survival tool. I am done beating myself up and now I have become anal with alti awareness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #6 October 7, 2004 When tracking, no need to look for any one somebody. Track flat and far and ensure your airspace is clear left, right, front and below.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #7 October 7, 2004 QuoteWhen tracking, no need to look for any one somebody. Track flat and far and ensure your airspace is clear left, right, front and below. and most importantly, above Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #8 October 7, 2004 2500 should not be uncomfortably low for you, in my opinion. You might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #9 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. interesting??? I won't question it but will try it and if it works I owe you a case of beer and thats a promise. PS: I spoke to L&B to no avail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ahegeman 0 #10 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. Yeah - totally non-intuitive, but it worked for me, too. I can barely hear my audible without earplugs.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #11 October 7, 2004 I can also concentrate better with earplugs. Isn't there some visual/LED option for some audibles? I think the original Dytter (one tone) had it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #12 October 7, 2004 If anything, it should be a lesson that things happen very fast in freefall. But pulling at 2500 feet is not a "stupid" mistake. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #13 October 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. interesting??? I won't question it but will try it and if it works I owe you a case of beer and thats a promise. Earplugs tend to block out certain frequencies better than others. I didn't lose my ability to hear ambulances over the wind noise on the motorcycle, and the soundproofing of course reduces the overall numbing of the hearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #14 October 7, 2004 Quoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakflyer9999 1 #15 October 7, 2004 Quote Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that? I have a Time-Out Evolution 2000 that can be adjusted to different pitches. I too have hearing loss in the high frequency area, so I adjusted it down some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mhartboca 0 #16 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. do you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? I'd considered it, but because i never saw anyone do it and because i figured the rapid descent might cause discomfort i never have tried it... michaelMichael Hart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,584 #17 October 7, 2004 I wear earplugs on virtually every jump, from before I get on the plane until I get to the ground. No problems hearing the audible, the count, and most on-plane briefings and conversations. Quiet-spoken plane captains mean I take them out. Unless it's the Skyvan. It's way too noisy without earplugs. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj-seus 0 #18 October 7, 2004 howdy not trying to hijack the thread... but i thought i'd share a tip from years of experience in night-club dj'ing... if you are in a really loud situation, such as a skyvan, and you need to communicate with somebody, here's a little trick: first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) then, reach out with your thumb and 'close' their ear canal with that little piece of ear that kinda folds back to close the opening in the ear (dunno what it's called) and hold your thumb in place with their ear closed... you can now talk at a NORMAL speaking level and they will hear you crystal clear... the vibration of your voice travels down your arm and into their ear... an added benefit, you can talk very quiet and THEY will hear you, but nobody else will... try it -dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertmicp 0 #19 October 7, 2004 Quote first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) Would ask before touching, if not, you just might wake up in a very strange place wondering what happend. Just a safty tip, do want you want with it "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #20 October 8, 2004 I would like to begin with a huge thanks to "Marks' and Bigun for the "looking up".. Thanks sundevil for the earplug advice which alot of ppl agreed with. Freakflyer.. I will inquire about the "time out audible" and dj-seus.. the finger in the ear thingy, I'll try it but if I get my ass kicked I'll have a bone to pick with you. LMAO Blue skies all, will keep you all posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #21 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree. i dont think we have. but i have to say, with your experiance level you should know by now that "up" is where you need to worry about. ive been in quite a few positions where i could not deploy because the dive went to shit and there is someone obove you, you must look up. and i know your argument already. if you track flat and far and fast, there will be nobody above you. well i promise you, if i want to prove you wrong , i can. you should look above you, unless you know 100% wich direction everyone else on the dive is. or you will find yourself in a position one day where there was someone above you. and i hope for your sake and there's, that they dont hit you. im not trying to argue or bash. but why wouldnt you look above?. not all situations require you too. but sometimes you need too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #22 October 8, 2004 Quotedo you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? No problems at all. You of course have to be more aware under canopy as you can't hear others around you as well.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #23 October 8, 2004 I have already incororated a barrel roll prior to deployment in my skydive. My last post was to thank all who jumped in. I got spanked once, don't spank me again. The advice I recieve here or at the DZ is valuable and keeps me thinking more on every jump I might be posting on something more complex such as wing suit, base, big ways 2 or 3 yrs from now. I was just saying thank you for not letting me learn this on my own. If I ever jump with you (Marks) I will be able to narrate your jump because of your post. I am not stupid but just inexperienced thats why I try to ask questions that makes me & YOU safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #24 October 8, 2004 sorry "firstime" my last post was in reply to "bigun". i have also learned that same lesson you have. i wasnt trying to reply to you. my reply was to "biguns" post. read it above where he quoted me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #25 October 8, 2004 Like you said, you already know my argument.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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ahegeman 0 #10 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. Yeah - totally non-intuitive, but it worked for me, too. I can barely hear my audible without earplugs.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #11 October 7, 2004 I can also concentrate better with earplugs. Isn't there some visual/LED option for some audibles? I think the original Dytter (one tone) had it.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #12 October 7, 2004 If anything, it should be a lesson that things happen very fast in freefall. But pulling at 2500 feet is not a "stupid" mistake. Chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 October 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteYou might try using ear plugs. I hear my audible better when I wear them. interesting??? I won't question it but will try it and if it works I owe you a case of beer and thats a promise. Earplugs tend to block out certain frequencies better than others. I didn't lose my ability to hear ambulances over the wind noise on the motorcycle, and the soundproofing of course reduces the overall numbing of the hearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #14 October 7, 2004 Quoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freakflyer9999 1 #15 October 7, 2004 Quote Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that? I have a Time-Out Evolution 2000 that can be adjusted to different pitches. I too have hearing loss in the high frequency area, so I adjusted it down some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mhartboca 0 #16 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. do you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? I'd considered it, but because i never saw anyone do it and because i figured the rapid descent might cause discomfort i never have tried it... michaelMichael Hart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,584 #17 October 7, 2004 I wear earplugs on virtually every jump, from before I get on the plane until I get to the ground. No problems hearing the audible, the count, and most on-plane briefings and conversations. Quiet-spoken plane captains mean I take them out. Unless it's the Skyvan. It's way too noisy without earplugs. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dj-seus 0 #18 October 7, 2004 howdy not trying to hijack the thread... but i thought i'd share a tip from years of experience in night-club dj'ing... if you are in a really loud situation, such as a skyvan, and you need to communicate with somebody, here's a little trick: first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) then, reach out with your thumb and 'close' their ear canal with that little piece of ear that kinda folds back to close the opening in the ear (dunno what it's called) and hold your thumb in place with their ear closed... you can now talk at a NORMAL speaking level and they will hear you crystal clear... the vibration of your voice travels down your arm and into their ear... an added benefit, you can talk very quiet and THEY will hear you, but nobody else will... try it -dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites robertmicp 0 #19 October 7, 2004 Quote first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) Would ask before touching, if not, you just might wake up in a very strange place wondering what happend. Just a safty tip, do want you want with it "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #20 October 8, 2004 I would like to begin with a huge thanks to "Marks' and Bigun for the "looking up".. Thanks sundevil for the earplug advice which alot of ppl agreed with. Freakflyer.. I will inquire about the "time out audible" and dj-seus.. the finger in the ear thingy, I'll try it but if I get my ass kicked I'll have a bone to pick with you. LMAO Blue skies all, will keep you all posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #21 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree. i dont think we have. but i have to say, with your experiance level you should know by now that "up" is where you need to worry about. ive been in quite a few positions where i could not deploy because the dive went to shit and there is someone obove you, you must look up. and i know your argument already. if you track flat and far and fast, there will be nobody above you. well i promise you, if i want to prove you wrong , i can. you should look above you, unless you know 100% wich direction everyone else on the dive is. or you will find yourself in a position one day where there was someone above you. and i hope for your sake and there's, that they dont hit you. im not trying to argue or bash. but why wouldnt you look above?. not all situations require you too. but sometimes you need too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #22 October 8, 2004 Quotedo you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? No problems at all. You of course have to be more aware under canopy as you can't hear others around you as well.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites firstime 0 #23 October 8, 2004 I have already incororated a barrel roll prior to deployment in my skydive. My last post was to thank all who jumped in. I got spanked once, don't spank me again. The advice I recieve here or at the DZ is valuable and keeps me thinking more on every jump I might be posting on something more complex such as wing suit, base, big ways 2 or 3 yrs from now. I was just saying thank you for not letting me learn this on my own. If I ever jump with you (Marks) I will be able to narrate your jump because of your post. I am not stupid but just inexperienced thats why I try to ask questions that makes me & YOU safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #24 October 8, 2004 sorry "firstime" my last post was in reply to "bigun". i have also learned that same lesson you have. i wasnt trying to reply to you. my reply was to "biguns" post. read it above where he quoted me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,483 #25 October 8, 2004 Like you said, you already know my argument.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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BIGUN 1,483 #14 October 7, 2004 Quoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer9999 1 #15 October 7, 2004 Quote Maybe L&B can make a custom audible for you with lower tones? Maybe the Neptune could be done custom like that? I have a Time-Out Evolution 2000 that can be adjusted to different pitches. I too have hearing loss in the high frequency area, so I adjusted it down some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mhartboca 0 #16 October 7, 2004 QuoteYou might try using ear plugs. do you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? I'd considered it, but because i never saw anyone do it and because i figured the rapid descent might cause discomfort i never have tried it... michaelMichael Hart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #17 October 7, 2004 I wear earplugs on virtually every jump, from before I get on the plane until I get to the ground. No problems hearing the audible, the count, and most on-plane briefings and conversations. Quiet-spoken plane captains mean I take them out. Unless it's the Skyvan. It's way too noisy without earplugs. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj-seus 0 #18 October 7, 2004 howdy not trying to hijack the thread... but i thought i'd share a tip from years of experience in night-club dj'ing... if you are in a really loud situation, such as a skyvan, and you need to communicate with somebody, here's a little trick: first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) then, reach out with your thumb and 'close' their ear canal with that little piece of ear that kinda folds back to close the opening in the ear (dunno what it's called) and hold your thumb in place with their ear closed... you can now talk at a NORMAL speaking level and they will hear you crystal clear... the vibration of your voice travels down your arm and into their ear... an added benefit, you can talk very quiet and THEY will hear you, but nobody else will... try it -dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertmicp 0 #19 October 7, 2004 Quote first communicate to the person that you are going to touch their ear for a second (they might give you a strange look, but they'll get it as soon as you do it) Would ask before touching, if not, you just might wake up in a very strange place wondering what happend. Just a safty tip, do want you want with it "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #20 October 8, 2004 I would like to begin with a huge thanks to "Marks' and Bigun for the "looking up".. Thanks sundevil for the earplug advice which alot of ppl agreed with. Freakflyer.. I will inquire about the "time out audible" and dj-seus.. the finger in the ear thingy, I'll try it but if I get my ass kicked I'll have a bone to pick with you. LMAO Blue skies all, will keep you all posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #21 October 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteand most importantly, above I think we've already had this discussion and left it at agreeing to disagree. i dont think we have. but i have to say, with your experiance level you should know by now that "up" is where you need to worry about. ive been in quite a few positions where i could not deploy because the dive went to shit and there is someone obove you, you must look up. and i know your argument already. if you track flat and far and fast, there will be nobody above you. well i promise you, if i want to prove you wrong , i can. you should look above you, unless you know 100% wich direction everyone else on the dive is. or you will find yourself in a position one day where there was someone above you. and i hope for your sake and there's, that they dont hit you. im not trying to argue or bash. but why wouldnt you look above?. not all situations require you too. but sometimes you need too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #22 October 8, 2004 Quotedo you not experience any pressure adjustment problems with earplugs? No problems at all. You of course have to be more aware under canopy as you can't hear others around you as well.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #23 October 8, 2004 I have already incororated a barrel roll prior to deployment in my skydive. My last post was to thank all who jumped in. I got spanked once, don't spank me again. The advice I recieve here or at the DZ is valuable and keeps me thinking more on every jump I might be posting on something more complex such as wing suit, base, big ways 2 or 3 yrs from now. I was just saying thank you for not letting me learn this on my own. If I ever jump with you (Marks) I will be able to narrate your jump because of your post. I am not stupid but just inexperienced thats why I try to ask questions that makes me & YOU safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #24 October 8, 2004 sorry "firstime" my last post was in reply to "bigun". i have also learned that same lesson you have. i wasnt trying to reply to you. my reply was to "biguns" post. read it above where he quoted me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #25 October 8, 2004 Like you said, you already know my argument.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
