Broke 0 #1 July 25, 2007 An exit door procedure at 33000 feet You have any illusions of safety?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #2 July 25, 2007 Whuh?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #3 July 25, 2007 QuoteAn exit door procedure at 33000 feet You have any illusions of safety? Sure. The illusion that when you're in traffic and coming in on final that nobody would be enough of an asshole to swoop anywhere near you. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #4 July 25, 2007 Whilest on a bigway?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #5 July 25, 2007 Just can't get enough can you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #6 July 25, 2007 QuoteJust can't get enough can you? Yeah, I know all the Danny worshipers would love for the whole thing to go away, but until we see a culture change in our sport, I'll continue to hold him up as an example of something that no skydiver should aspire to. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #7 July 26, 2007 Yep, you're going to single handily change the sport by disrespecting a dead man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #8 July 26, 2007 QuoteAn exit door procedure at 33000 feet You have any illusions of safety? The TSA. 'Nuff said._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Don 0 #9 July 26, 2007 QuoteYep, you're going to single handily change the sport by disrespecting a dead man. Thanks. I had some words to say, but that will do.I am NOT being loud. I'm being enthusiastic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #10 July 26, 2007 QuoteYep, you're going to single handily change the sport by disrespecting a dead man. And you're going to make it better by sweeping it under the carpet. IMO, you're attitude is part of the reason I think a culture change is absolutely needed in the sport. I don't mean this as an attack against you--I respect you and think you're a great guy--but I think he stopped deserving respect the moment he killed Bob Holler. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #11 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteYep, you're going to single handily change the sport by disrespecting a dead man. Thanks. I had some words to say, but that will do. Thank Danny. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Don 0 #12 July 26, 2007 Do you think your doing yourself or anybody any good by smearing a dead mans name over & over? Focus on the incident. You might get further in what you're trying to do.I am NOT being loud. I'm being enthusiastic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #13 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteYep, you're going to single handily change the sport by disrespecting a dead man. And you're going to make it better by sweeping it under the carpet. IMO, you're attitude is part of the reason I think a culture change is absolutely needed in the sport. I don't mean this as an attack against you--I respect you and think you're a great guy--but I think he stopped deserving respect the moment he killed Bob Holler. Walt I see no one sweeping anything under the carpet. Danny killed Bob. Disrespecting him over and over again is having no effect on the safety of our sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #14 July 26, 2007 I guess no one else gets my fight club referanceDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #15 July 26, 2007 Quote I guess no one else gets my fight club referance At least you didn't make another lame Tank Girl reference. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #16 July 26, 2007 Quote Quote I guess no one else gets my fight club referance At least you didn't make another lame Tank Girl reference. Ziinnnnnnnnnnnggg "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #17 July 26, 2007 Don;t make me poke out your eye and skull fuck youDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #18 July 26, 2007 Quote I think he stopped deserving respect the moment he killed Bob Holler. [disclaimer]I didn't know either of those guys and I'm not saying this with any emotion or reference to the specific accident, which was tragic[/disclaimer] We all fuck up. If somebody stops deserving respect because they fucked up then I don't think I know a respectable person. It just seems a pretty strong choice of words...Of course we need to look at past mistakes and learn from them, but saying that he doesn't deserve respect is pretty harsh....Wow, this is deep for the Bonfire.I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Don 0 #19 July 26, 2007 Well said.I am NOT being loud. I'm being enthusiastic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #20 July 26, 2007 Quote Quote I think he stopped deserving respect the moment he killed Bob Holler. [disclaimer]I didn't know either of those guys and I'm not saying this with any emotion or reference to the specific accident, which was tragic[/disclaimer] We all fuck up. If somebody stops deserving respect because they fucked up then I don't think I know a respectable person. It just seems a pretty strong choice of words...Of course we need to look at past mistakes and learn from them, but saying that he doesn't deserve respect is pretty harsh....Wow, this is deep for the Bonfire. I certainly didn't mean for this to turn into an extended threadjack. Yes, we all fuck up. Usually, nobody gets hurt and when somebody does, it's normally the person who fucked up. The way the incident in Dublin happened, it could have just as easily been me, you, or any other jumper because Danny acted with careless disregard for his own safety and the safety of others. I don't think anybody questions that. Here's the part I don't get. At what point does someone become a "bad guy" that gets shunned by the community? A while back there was a non-jumping incident in which a dotcommer, SalsaJohn, allegedly attacked another jumper at the dz with a deadly weapon. The reaction in the bonfire was swift and severe condemnation. John didn't kill anyone. Danny did. Is it really not a reflection on Danny's character that he "inadvertently" committed what amounts to a murder-suicide? I honestly don't get it. I could understand if someone said something like, "I remember what he was like before he turned into whatever he was on his last jump". Instead, he is considered a great guy who just happened to fuck up and kill himself and someone else. No big deal.Is it somehow ok to kill yourself and someone else with callous disregard if you're well-liked? Why does anyone think that someone like that has a place in our community? I can understand someone sticking up for a friend, but this seems way overboard. Would the Danny worshipers be so adamant about protecting his "good name" if he had been convicted of some horrendous crime, like child molesting or rape/murder? I'm starting to think the answer to that would be "yes" because they liked him. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #21 July 26, 2007 I can't believe i'm sticking my nose in here. I'm not a swooper, and I can't stand the idea of being taken out at 200 feet by some idiot on a 270. But what Danny did was an accident, not an intentional act. The irresponsibility of swooping in traffic can be debated, and I agree that we do need a culture change to prevent future incidents like these. I've had friends screw up and kill people. It breaks your heart but you never quit loving them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #22 July 26, 2007 QuoteIs it really not a reflection on Danny's character that he "inadvertently" committed what amounts to a murder-suicide? I think you need to re-evaluate the definition of the word murder.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #23 July 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteIs it really not a reflection on Danny's character that he "inadvertently" committed what amounts to a murder-suicide? I think you need to re-evaluate the definition of the word murder. Would it give you a warm, fuzzy feeling if I changed it to "negligent homicide"? Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #24 July 26, 2007 QuoteI can't believe i'm sticking my nose in here. I'm not a swooper, and I can't stand the idea of being taken out at 200 feet by some idiot on a 270. But what Danny did was an accident, not an intentional act. The irresponsibility of swooping in traffic can be debated, and I agree that we do need a culture change to prevent future incidents like these. I've had friends screw up and kill people. It breaks your heart but you never quit loving them. I don't think it rises to the level of an accident any more than a drunk driver killing someone is an accident. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #25 July 26, 2007 Enough. Cryptic initial post, off-topic one liner responses (including from the OP), thread-hijacking rehashing exisitng arguments AGAIN. No thanks.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
