bernard 0 #1 November 30, 2004 A question on education in our sport. Worldwide studens are trained AFF what stands for accelarated free fall (seven levels - level 8 solo jump). In Canda we have the equivalent called PFF what stands for progressive free fall. But in France (Europe) we have a very good progression with six levels. Let's see: - premier saut (1st jump) two instructors, one instructor let go and comes in front of the student to give hand signals - and IF... the first jump is ok (stable position) you can go to the second jump with ONE INSTRUCTOR; some shools, depending on the student of course and if the stable position is good, let go the student on free exit from the second jump on - in aff solo exit is jump six. - jumps 3 - 4 - 5 and six treats various positions like chute assis, barell roll, front and back loop, BUT THE ADVANTAGE of the PAC is that the progression is adapted on the progress of the student. To know more about it you can surf via google to www.veloce.com what stands for a very good shool in Gap (France) with super champions who proved themselves through various high levelled competions. bernard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #2 November 30, 2004 Quote In Canda we have the equivalent called PFF what stands for progressive free fall. The CSPA PFF progran is 5 jumps. But most DZs offer a program that exceed that minimal standard. Also, its called PAC in french .Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bernard 0 #3 December 1, 2004 Hello Remster, Just a question about the Canadian PFF, in your progression, when does the student leave the airplane for the first time unassisted by the JM? Free exit, what jump or is it also depending on the indivudual progression of each student. Thanks for your replyQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #4 December 1, 2004 I'll look it up tonight for the official CSPA program, but I beleive its jump 5. But remember, the CSPA PFF program is the minimal guideline. Most DZ have a lot more jump as part of their PFF program. Ours is a 10 jump program, with 7 jumps with instructors (3 solos are included in the package), and the 1st solo exit on jump 6. But the program is quite flexible and adjusted for the student.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #5 December 2, 2004 A Pitt Meadows, BC, during PFF level 2, the reserve side instructor lets go shortly after exit, then flies out in front to serve as a heading reference while the student practices 90 degree turns. PFF level 3 is an optional-release dive with one instructor. PFF level 4 is an optional/usually release dive with one instructor. PFF level 5 is a mandatory release dive with one instructor, but by that point I usually just rest my hand lightly on their shoulder during exit, then spend the rest of the dive - no-contact - just observing. Remember that the PFF Program is inherently flexible. We frequently assign students a "modified level 3" which includes a task that they did not complete during level 2, plus some new level 3 tasks. After they graduate PFF, we expect students to do a few coach dives to complete the tasks for their Solo Certificate (minimum 10 jumps). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pms07 3 #6 December 2, 2004 question on education in our sport. BUT THE ADVANTAGE of the PAC is that the progression is adapted on the progress of the student.*** The French have good student programs and I've seen PAC while jumping at Strasbourg, Pujaut, Gap and Cannet des Maures. There are many very talented and innovative PAC instructors and they've got a great program. With that said, AFF can be and is adapted to the progress of the student or the needs/desires of a particular DZ routinely, just as well as PAC. There are as many innovative AFF and hybrid type programs that are just as successful. Early efforts in this area were innovated by people like Roger Nelson and Jeff & Marty Jones, almost 20 years ago. While the traditional AFF program was taught as 7 levels many drop zones modified that extensively...the progress continues. pms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Remster 30 #4 December 1, 2004 I'll look it up tonight for the official CSPA program, but I beleive its jump 5. But remember, the CSPA PFF program is the minimal guideline. Most DZ have a lot more jump as part of their PFF program. Ours is a 10 jump program, with 7 jumps with instructors (3 solos are included in the package), and the 1st solo exit on jump 6. But the program is quite flexible and adjusted for the student.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 December 2, 2004 A Pitt Meadows, BC, during PFF level 2, the reserve side instructor lets go shortly after exit, then flies out in front to serve as a heading reference while the student practices 90 degree turns. PFF level 3 is an optional-release dive with one instructor. PFF level 4 is an optional/usually release dive with one instructor. PFF level 5 is a mandatory release dive with one instructor, but by that point I usually just rest my hand lightly on their shoulder during exit, then spend the rest of the dive - no-contact - just observing. Remember that the PFF Program is inherently flexible. We frequently assign students a "modified level 3" which includes a task that they did not complete during level 2, plus some new level 3 tasks. After they graduate PFF, we expect students to do a few coach dives to complete the tasks for their Solo Certificate (minimum 10 jumps). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pms07 3 #6 December 2, 2004 question on education in our sport. BUT THE ADVANTAGE of the PAC is that the progression is adapted on the progress of the student.*** The French have good student programs and I've seen PAC while jumping at Strasbourg, Pujaut, Gap and Cannet des Maures. There are many very talented and innovative PAC instructors and they've got a great program. With that said, AFF can be and is adapted to the progress of the student or the needs/desires of a particular DZ routinely, just as well as PAC. There are as many innovative AFF and hybrid type programs that are just as successful. Early efforts in this area were innovated by people like Roger Nelson and Jeff & Marty Jones, almost 20 years ago. While the traditional AFF program was taught as 7 levels many drop zones modified that extensively...the progress continues. pms Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites