What is a H&P to you?

[airtwardo 7]

So my question is what altitude do you get off at generally and what sort of delay is there before whipping out the PC?

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The little club that I learned at in Illinois was pretty much a Style & Accuracy group.

Accuracy jumps were from 1800'...and you could do those all day long.

Style was from 5500' and they only made a couple of those "UP" loads a day.

Static line students were tossed at 2200' and the JM would usually stow the static lines during the turn around and hop out down wind at between 1800' & 2000'.

So for the first several years of my jumping I did A LOTTA hop 'n pops!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[steveorino 7]

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While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?"

Bob S. Mel and I did a 3 way from 4K over walmart when we jumped in on their opeing day. You have a PRO you could have made it a 4 way -- Now THAT would be a heavy load!

steveOrino

[Andy_Copland 0]

3-way from 2800 to get my muff number.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[RB_Hammer 0]

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To me, a "H&P" is exactly what the SIM says it is...

2007 SIM Section 4
CATEGORY F: LEARNING AND PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES

A clear and pull is used for emergency exits and pre-planned low-altitude jumps.

Training:
The sequence consists of a clear and pull from
two altitudes:
(1) first from 5,500 feet
(2) once successful, from 3,500 feet

This is what I did for my A. First from 5500, then second from 3500. What I also did on the 3500 jump was to jump my first unassisted pack job. Did not really plan it that way, and only realized I was doing this on the ride up. Breifly considered not doing it as I had some concern about my packing skills, but once the got the door open, I just said to myself, "Hope it opens..." and out I went.
Was a real confidence builder, that jump.

"I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late."
Mathew Quigley

[relyon 0]

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While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?"

I've done multiple point 4-ways and even a single point 8-way from single or formation Cessnas with ceilings no higher than 2500' ... in the rain, too ... CRW, of course.

Bob

[BIGUN 1,481]

The great thing is they could - without a doubt - see that Anvil Brothers load from exit.

See ya Saturday.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[BIGUN 1,481]

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CRW, of course.

Well, of course...
And ending it with a hit & chug!

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[Fast 0]

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While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?"

We still do at Wissota. When we are getting 4ish, its a launch and track. Fun stuff.

It isn't relative work unless you turn at least one point!

~D
Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me.
Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

[AggieDave 6]

With my current gear setup I like 5k for a hop-n-pop. Just because it takes about 1000ft for my canopy to open, takes about 500ft for me to remove and stow my RDS and then by the time I unstow my brakes and fly over to the holding area for my pattern, its time to setup for my downwind portion of the pattern at about 2000'.

With other gear, sure, 2k was great.

We call 4-5k hop-n-pops and stuff at altitude clear and pulls. Yeah, they mean the same thing, but it keeps manifest from getting too confused.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[pirana 0]

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Training:
The sequence consists of a clear and pull from
two altitudes:
(1) first from 5,500 feet
(2) once successful, from 3,500 feet

That struck me as funny. What would the next step be if the 5,500' C&P was unsuccessful?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[kelpdiver 2]

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Training:
The sequence consists of a clear and pull from
two altitudes:
(1) first from 5,500 feet
(2) once successful, from 3,500 feet

That struck me as funny. What would the next step be if the 5,500' C&P was unsuccessful?

Repeat.

Success, I believe, is deploying within 5 seconds of exit. The AFF student benefits from learning how little altitude will be lost when they have some to spare. If you take it to terminal (~10 seconds), you're still up at 4500ft. Do that on the 3500ft exit and you're below your decision altitude.

Do students fail the 5500 try very often?

[BCA 1]

Hop and Pop = Clear and Pull = Jump and Dump


It's kinda self explanatory.

BCA

[ladyhawke 0]

Hop n Pop = Jump - Get Stable - Pull anywhere from 3.5K to altitude.

"It is our choices that show what we truly are far more than our abilities." - A. Dumbledore

[JerryBaumchen 1,461]

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While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?"

Well, at the First POPs World Meet in Australia in '90 someone scheduled a 'demo' load into a schoolyard. I got elected to spot it from 3500 ft out of that elongated Beaver that they have down there; as I was lining her up one guy said "How about a 4-way." So it was "Hell yes, want do ya want to do?" Someone says a star & something else (which I do not remember). The first four of us just grabbed onto each other on exit, did the 4-way and almost got the 2nd point. I think I unpacked about 1800 and saw two other guys below me. Got my face on national tv later that night.

These things can be done!

JerryBaumchen

[hackish 8]

It was useful to know what some of you have hopped off. My jump was too low for my comfort/experience level. I guess it just takes some experience to set your own limits. From now on I'm riding the plane down if they can't get me at least to 3k. Personal comfort sorta thing.

-Michael

[lippy 918]

Dude if you have 21 jumps and your DZ is letting you out much below 3K, you might want to see where else there is to jump in the area.

Good call on the new minimum altitude rule

I got nuthin

[Zep 0]

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3-way from 2800 to get my muff number.

Did a 6-way from 2300 got us banned

Gone fishing

[diablopilot 2]

I generally consider a Hop and Pop to be an exit and deployment within about 5 seconds of each other. Altitude is irrelevant.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[hackish 8]

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Dude if you have 21 jumps and your DZ is letting you out much below 3K, you might want to see where else there is to jump in the area.

Good call on the new minimum altitude rule

In freefall I prefer to pull at 4k. I'll be conservative. I've been criticized a little for waving off at 5k. There is only one person responsible for my own safety and that has to be me.

It was my responsibility to say "no" on that day and it didn't cross my mind until I was dangling from the strut. It was still valuable because it pushed my limit and forced me to decide there won't be a next time for that.

I still feel confident that I would have been able to deal with a mal and landed safely but there wouldn't have been any time for hesitation. My hand went directly from the strut to the PC and it was out poof!

Some people on this thread talk about getting out at sub-2000' that's crazy. I still got out at a legal jumping alti.

-Michael

[kelpdiver 2]

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Some people on this thread talk about getting out at sub-2000' that's crazy. I still got out at a legal jumping alti.

-Michael

Not if you're a USPA student. (Or A for that matter). Though many will say it's good experience for you to have gotten.

[Zep 0]

No it's not so crazy it's just not so common these days, two reasons, the AAD an ZP canopies
Years ago I had no problem doing a h&p or launching an exit on a climbing pass (cloudbase) at 1800-2000ft
Today most jumpers think 3500 is really low an have a problem getting out at that hight
Probably a fault of AFF.
Remember a pilot can order you out of the aircraft at 1000ft (for an emergency) an if you (not you personally)
hesitate it can put the lives of others in serious risk,

Gone fishing

[Beer 0]

Only reason you should be criticized for pulling high is not letting anybody know your intentions of pulling high.
It could cause problems with jumpers going out the door after you depending on what they are doing.

Always let other jumpers know of your intentions of pulling high so the jump order can be established.

Learn to be happy. You can't be there for anybody else in life if you can't learn to be there for yourself.

[bob.dino 1]

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I've been criticized a little for waving off at 5k. There is only one person responsible for my own safety and that has to be me.

You're also responsible for not putting others in danger, so make sure everyone else in your group and in the groups ahead of & behind you are aware of the height you're dumping at.

[billeisele 130]

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While I'm at the DZ the other day, I'm thinking, "So, doesn't anybody do a four-way from 5K and turn points anymore?"

No, we do 10-way speedstars

with no-show and no grips on exit

Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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No it's not so crazy it's just not so common these days, two reasons, the AAD an ZP canopies
Years ago I had no problem doing a h&p or launching an exit on a climbing pass (cloudbase) at 1800-2000ft

And remember, you have as much time until impact leaving the plane at 2200 feet than you do in terminal freefall at 3000 feet. I don't mind being low. You just have to pay attention.