Whats up with Perris and skydivingmovies.com?

[airtwardo 7]

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Still haven't had time to go through the older thread about skyride (so forgive me if this was already covered in the old thread), but isn't there any kind of public authority in the states who's duty is to protect the consumer ?

Just inform the proper authority about their business and they will take it from there.. ?

Ford Pinto


Take a while for enough people to get 'burned' before anything is done.

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[BMFin 0]

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Still haven't had time to go through the older thread about skyride (so forgive me if this was already covered in the old thread), but isn't there any kind of public authority in the states who's duty is to protect the consumer ?

Just inform the proper authority about their business and they will take it from there.. ?

Ford Pinto


Take a while for enough people to get 'burned' before anything is done.

say what ?

In english plz ! ?

[BMFin 0]

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Still haven't had time to go through the older thread about skyride (so forgive me if this was already covered in the old thread), but isn't there any kind of public authority in the states who's duty is to protect the consumer ?

Just inform the proper authority about their business and they will take it from there.. ?

Ford Pinto


Take a while for enough people to get 'burned' before anything is done.

Had a short google moment and I guess I now know prehaps you were referring to the safety problems with the aforementioned car model and the law suits that followed..

So your point being ?

You mean that the authorities are inefficient to fix the problem ?

Or do you mean that theres not enough evidence of any misconduct ? Why wouldnt there be ?

[PhreeZone 20]

There are at least 2 lawsuits in the works and 1 state has their legal teams working on a case but due to the legal system in the US these have been tied up in court for almost 2 years so far with no end in sight for the legal side. 1 lawsuit is Skydive Arizona vs Skyride and another is Skyride Vs USPA. Skyride is suing USPA for damages after the USPA revoked their Group Membership, this one is costing all the USPA members money since they have to pay legal bills to defend the suit and to have a countersuit.

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[DougH 270]

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i agree that all dropzones should not accept them, and that would, help? probably not, because they still have the websites and advertise all over, so they will still sell sell sell. I'm being devils advocate a little bit here.

Don't you need a good counter argument to play devils advocate?

So because the skyride problem is difficult, and probably we will never see them fully go away, we should give in instead?

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[Andy9o8 2]

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This really is a no-brainer.

more of a no win situation . i agree that all dropzones should not accept them, and that would, help? probably not, because they still have the websites and advertise all over, so they will still sell sell sell. I'm being devils advocate a little bit here.

[BMFin 0]

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There are at least 2 lawsuits in the works and 1 state has their legal teams working on a case but due to the legal system in the US these have been tied up in court for almost 2 years so far with no end in sight for the legal side. 1 lawsuit is Skydive Arizona vs Skyride and another is Skyride Vs USPA. Skyride is suing USPA for damages after the USPA revoked their Group Membership, this one is costing all the USPA members money since they have to pay legal bills to defend the suit and to have a countersuit.

Sounds like the system needs to be improved if you are able to act as you please as long as you are not convicted from it yet..

In Finland in similar situation the consumer authorities have the legal right to ban marketing from this firm until the case has been solved in the court.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Sounds like the system needs to be improved if you are able to act as you please as long as you are not convicted from it yet.

In Finland in similar situation the consumer authorities have the legal right to ban marketing from this firm until the case has been solved in the court.

So an accusation and the opinion of some non-judicial bureaucrats is enough to effectively cripple a business before the accusation is ever proven in court?

That's a terrible system. I'm glad I don't live in Finland.

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Sounds like the system needs to be improved if you are able to act as you please as long as you are not convicted from it yet.

In Finland in similar situation the consumer authorities have the legal right to ban marketing from this firm until the case has been solved in the court.

So an accusation and the opinion of some non-judicial bureaucrats is enough to effectively cripple a business before the accusation is ever proven in court?

That's a terrible system. I'm glad I don't live in Finland.

Well.. pretty much yeah. Thats how it works. Although im sure the authority has exellent judicial knowlede of the field they work in.

Sure the authoritys actions can be taken to court if needed. And at the end it is the courts decicion finally decide these things and sure the authority will be liable for any misconduct from their behalf.

Im sure there are similar powers with a lot of authorities in the states..

For instance the gaming commission in nevada regulates the casino industry... I would be suprised if they were powerless towards a casino thats braking the law and the casino could go on doing their business as long as the court decides different.

Not every illegal action has to be taken to court before it can be an end.. And most importantly it doesnt have to be a civil litigation always.

[Andy9o8 2]

Yes, federal and state regulatory agencies in the US can suspend licenses and permits, or take other disciplinary action, for evidence (more than a mere accusation) of misconduct. But those decisions can always be appealed to the courts; and for the most part, the filing of an appeal "stays" (puts on hold) the effect of the agency's ruling while the case works its way through the courts.

So my point stands.