How About Cutting SKYRIDE Some Slack?

[skypapa 0]

Obviously some of the bigger well known DZ's have come to accept their services. Why can't you? I bet each and every one of you would be surprised at the level of interest Skyride has generated for skydiving as a whole.

Is it possible that everyone in the sport has benefited from that generated interest to some degree? I think so.

So they have stolen some copyrighted images, in the age of the internet who hasn't? Has this caused any physical harm to anybody? I don't think so. Has it caused monetary damages, perhaps, but how in the hell can you measure that? And if you could measure it, it would probably be pretty slim.

Have they perhaps stolen a customer or two from any given DZ? Maybe, but business is business, it is cut throat. Instead of crying about it perhaps you should take the same approach and find a way to steal their customers. Humm, thats an idea. I have a hard time believing for as long as this has gone on, no one has been able to figure out a way to beat them at their own game.

Are you telling me you cant beat them? Well then how about joining them? Imagine how much money everyone would make if all DZ's accepted skyride.

Put up, shut up or sign up. It really is that easy.

[DougH 270]

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[skypapa 0]

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Why the "let me pretend I am asleep" reply?

It's ok to beat the demise of skyride topic to death but its not ok to discuss the acceptance of it?

[78RATS 0]

ummm...because they steal shit and otherwise rip people off.

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

[BIGUN 1,463]

There is a wide chasm between aggressive competition and deceptive business practices.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skypapa 0]

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ummm...because they steal shit and otherwise rip people off.

Besides images, tell me how they rip people off?

[davelepka 4]

Hey SKYRIDE,

How about cutting the rest of skydiving some slack by conducting business in an ethical manner?

Hey Skypapa,

See how silly it looks when you put an absurd question in writing?

[airtwardo 7]

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Why the "let me pretend I am asleep" reply?

It's ok to beat the demise of skyride topic to death but its not ok to discuss the acceptance of it?

No...because if you take lying, cheating and stealing as an acceotable busniess approach then where does it stop...

If I were to steal money out of your gearbag so that I could make a few jumps, doesn't THAT help skydiving in general too?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[skypapa 0]

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Hey SKYRIDE,

How about cutting the rest of skydiving some slack by conducting business in an ethical manner?

Hey Skypapa,

See how silly it looks when you put an absurd question in writing?

If they are so unethical and so bad for the sport, why have so many dz's agreed to accept their certificates?

[BIGUN 1,463]

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why have so many dz's agreed to accept their certificates?

Name them.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skypapa 0]

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Why the "let me pretend I am asleep" reply?

It's ok to beat the demise of skyride topic to death but its not ok to discuss the acceptance of it?

No...because if you accept lying, cheating and stealing as an acceotable busniess approach then where does it stop...

If I were to steal money out of your gearbag so that I could make a few jumps, doesn't THAT help skydiving in general too?

Show me one example of an exact dollar amount they stole from a specific person or entity. Show me facts, not assumptions.

[78RATS 0]

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Besides images, tell me how they rip people off?

good try "anonymous". hahaha. PARK RANGER. PARK RANGER.

Rat for Life - Fly till I die
When them stupid ass bitches ask why

[skypapa 0]

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why have so many dz's agreed to accept their certificates?

Name them.

There is already a thread doing exactly that.

[skypapa 0]

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Besides images, tell me how they rip people off?

good try "anonymous". hahaha. PARK RANGER. PARK RANGER.

Thats what I thought.

[DougH 270]

Hey lets give this a thought!!!

While we are at it I think we should give pimps, drug dealers, and wife beaters some slack too!!

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[davelepka 4]

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If they are so unethical and so bad for the sport, why have so many dz's agreed to accept their certificates?

It simple really, they use stolen images and web content to create websites for DZ that don't exist and then proceed to sell skydives to people in one geographic area for a DZ in another geographic area.

DZs are left to accept one of two things; either a portion of their customer base will take their money elsewhere, or they have to accept the Skyride certificates.

Which would you do?

The Skyride guys are taking advantage of the internet to strong-arm their way into the revenue stream from tandem jumps. It's a shitty thing to do.

[skypapa 0]

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Hey lets give this a thought!!!

While we are at it I think we should give pimps, drug dealers, and wife beaters some slack too!!

Yeah. That really makes a lot of sense.

[peregrinerose 0]

As a professional outside of skydiving, I do not associate or work with companies that show dubious ethical practices, for I feel it reflects poorly on me as an eye care provider.

I doubt that skydiving buisinesses are much different. If skyride behaved in an ethical manner, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. Stealing photos, misrepresenting locations, misleading patrons are all unethical behaviors... something that I doubt many of us would be comfortable associating with.

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[skypapa 0]

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If they are so unethical and so bad for the sport, why have so many dz's agreed to accept their certificates?

It simple really, they use stolen images and web content to create websites for DZ that don't exist and then proceed to sell skydives to people in one geographic area for a DZ in another geographic area.

DZs are left to accept one of two things; either a portion of their customer base will take their money elsewhere, or they have to accept the Skyride certificates.

Which would you do?

The Skyride guys are taking advantage of the internet to strong-arm their way into the revenue stream from tandem jumps. It's a shitty thing to do.

Its a no brainer. Accept their certificates. Drop the egos and get on with business.

[airtwardo 7]

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Why the "let me pretend I am asleep" reply?

It's ok to beat the demise of skyride topic to death but its not ok to discuss the acceptance of it?

No...because if you accept lying, cheating and stealing as an acceotable busniess approach then where does it stop...

If I were to steal money out of your gearbag so that I could make a few jumps, doesn't THAT help skydiving in general too?

Show me one example of an exact dollar amount they stole from a specific person or entity. Show me facts, not assumptions.

There are currently cases on the docket in several states doing just that.

Tell what in your opinion is an 'acceptable' amount to steal?

How many MORE people need to complain they've been mis-led and cheated?

Do you really believe it's okay to blatantly lie on dozens of websites?

If you have no problem with any of this, a question character arises, if you DO then quit your job in the skyride boiler-room and open a DZ!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[skypapa 0]

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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Why the "let me pretend I am asleep" reply?

It's ok to beat the demise of skyride topic to death but its not ok to discuss the acceptance of it?

No...because if you accept lying, cheating and stealing as an acceotable busniess approach then where does it stop...

If I were to steal money out of your gearbag so that I could make a few jumps, doesn't THAT help skydiving in general too?

Show me one example of an exact dollar amount they stole from a specific person or entity. Show me facts, not assumptions.

There are currently cases on the docket in several states doing just that.

Tell what in your opinion is an 'acceptable' amount to steal?

How many MORE people need to complain they've been mis-led and cheated?

Do you really believe it's okay to blatantly lie on dozens of websites?

If you have no problem with any of this, a question character arises, if you DO then quit your job in the skyride boiler-room and open a DZ!

They are doing something right, they are still in business. DZ's are still accepting their certificates, and their phones keep ringing.

No one has proven otherwise in order to shut them down. I keep hearing the skydiving community will be victorious...doesnt seem that way.

If you cant beat em, join em.

[Thanatos340 1]

Since I am Not allowed to call a Troll a Troll on this site, I will just answer the question.

This is about Fraud, Theft and Deception.
Their over 900 websites for Dropzones that do not exist. Those Websites are full of lies.
Call them up and listen to the additional lies they tell.

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Instead of crying about it perhaps you should take the same approach and find a way to steal their customers.

Because some people don’t like Theft. Most businesses are actually Honest so there is no need to STEAL anything.

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I have a hard time believing for as long as this has gone on, no one has been able to figure out a way to beat them at their own game.

Their Game is FRAUD, Lies and Deception. Honest Businesses don’t play that game.

[airtwardo 7]

...and their phones keep ringing.

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Then break time is over, get back to answering them, remember the party line.......Sorry, IT'S TOO WINDY, thanks for the money!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[billvon 3,096]

Drop the egos morals and get on with business.

Yep. If all you care about is money, Skyride could indeed be the way to go. Of course, another company could come along, perform a DoS attack on the Skyride website, take over their phone number with some sleight-of-hand (i.e. call the phone company, pretend to be Skyride and ask to give up the number) and intercept any Google searches for Skyride via a bit of hacking.

Then they'd be making all the money. And they'd be making it more ethically than Skyride, sadly. Would you then advise people to "drop the egos, take the new certificates and get on with business?"

The problem you are running into is that some DZO's care about things other than money. Sucks, doesn't it?

[skypapa 0]

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Since I am Not allowed to call a Troll a Troll on this site, I will just answer the question.

This is about Fraud, Theft and Deception.
Their over 900 websites for Dropzones that do not exist. Those Websites are full of lies.
Call them up and listen to the additional lies they tell.

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Instead of crying about it perhaps you should take the same approach and find a way to steal their customers.

Because some people don’t like Theft. Most businesses are actually Honest so there is no need to STEAL anything.

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I have a hard time believing for as long as this has gone on, no one has been able to figure out a way to beat them at their own game.

Their Game is FRAUD, Lies and Deception. Honest Businesses don’t play that game.

If they are so fraudulent will someone please explain to me why they are still in business?

And please dont point out the numerous lawsuits. If a company is blatantly defrauding the public the attorney general will not think twice about granting an injunction....that obviously hasnt happened.