ltdiver 3 #1 November 24, 2007 Interesting twist on the creation and need for wind tunnels to 'bolster our failing growth in skydiving' in this article. However, I'm thinking they perhaps twisted this bit on Bryan Burke a little bit further? Likening his 'skydive patrol' to be like the National Ski Patrol? Anyone have any clarification (from our end of it) on this article? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119577059712701370.html?mod=googlenews_wsj ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 November 24, 2007 Lookat the archive ofthe front page stories from on here, he had an article that talked about it a few months back.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #3 November 24, 2007 If you think we have people that won't listen now just wait till some of these kids start jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #4 November 24, 2007 Quote If you think we have people that won't listen now just wait till some of these kids start jumping. i admire you for always being so spot on.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #5 November 24, 2007 QuoteLookat the archive ofthe front page stories from on here, he had an article that talked about it a few months back. Yes, I know about that article. Read it when it first came out and admired Bryan and those in his class. What I was referencing with the original post, was that this news source was trying to draw a parallel between his program and the Ski Patrol. Not gonna happen. They are two totall different beasts. Just goes to show, once again, that wuffo's really -don't- get what we're all about. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeepDiver 0 #6 November 24, 2007 QuoteIf you think we have people that won't listen now just wait till some of these kids start jumping. QuoteMs. Tinucci says she's not scared by the idea of her children someday leaping from airplanes. "They fly as well or better then many instructors," she says. "Their skill is equal to the skill of someone with 7,000 to 10,000 jumps from a plane." http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/WK-AK474_jp1_SK_20071121154501.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #7 November 24, 2007 The kids on Team Future listen better (and fly) than 99% of the skydivers that come into the tunnel. They are polite and are not arrogant. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElJosh 0 #8 November 25, 2007 We all were like that once in our lives, Then we grow up to be assholes!! ~El Josh AKA Ruby DS #149 Yes I only have 3 jumps...it's the magic number dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyberdyber 0 #9 November 25, 2007 I agree. I find that it is the "old school" type jumpers that don't listen, think they know it all once they reach 500 jumps, and do most of the bitching. http://www.skydiveatlanta.com http://www.musiccityskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #10 November 25, 2007 500 jumps is "old school?"500 jumps is a the first year for more and more jumpers these days. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyberdyber 0 #11 November 25, 2007 Dude, re-read my entire post. "old school" TYPE jumpers. If you don't understand the exact group I am refering to, then nevermind the post. Cause your rebuttal made my point for me. http://www.skydiveatlanta.com http://www.musiccityskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #12 November 26, 2007 Quote They are polite and are not arrogant. From the article: Quote Ms. Tinucci says she's not scared by the idea of her children someday leaping from airplanes. "They fly as well or better then many instructors," she says. "Their skill is equal to the skill of someone with 7,000 to 10,000 jumps from a plane." I can't wait to see the 10,000 jump wonder kids land their first canopy. Instructors, might, even though we apparently are not that good, quite possibly, have some value, at least we can say "Flare, flare, flare" over the radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #13 November 26, 2007 They do fly as well as or better than skydiver with 7k+ skydives and they don't act like a lot of skydivers. Obviously, they have never flown a canopy. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #14 November 26, 2007 They also have not exited an aircraft, been more than 10 feet from another flyer, or broken off from a skydive. They ARE good flyers, but nowhere near being skydivers.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #15 November 26, 2007 I agree with you. Give them a chance! [rant] As to the rest of the article, why does everyone only focus on the negative? I'm glad that, for once, there is a reporter who does his best to try to see things our way, and to show the general public the problems skydiving is starting to face. He doesn't quite get it spot on, but attitudes like some of those in this thread aren't helping. As skydivers, it is our own resposibility to educate the well intentioned part of the media and to KEEP them friendly. Check out my sig, and think about it. [/rant]"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #16 November 26, 2007 QuoteThey do fly as well as or better than skydiver with 7k+ skydives and they don't act like a lot of skydivers. Obviously, they have never flown a canopy. Derek You are very right. These are the luckiest kids around, they fly in the tunnel better than me, and I admit it, I am jealous... My post was kind of pointing out that it appears people believe these kids, just because they can outfly me and most of my friends in the tunnel, automatically have the skillset for the sky. There will be a lot to learn (and they will learn it quickly), should they skydive... But, if they come with the attitude that they outfly the instructors, as quoted in the article, well then........ If I had parents willing to purchase around $100,000 in tunnel time for me when I was a kid (based upon the published hourly rates for block time) - I bet I could fly half as good as these kids... (note - I have no clue actually how much money was spent on these kid's time - but someone, either by gifting from the tunnel, or paying by their parents, paid an arm and a leg for their skills. Their skills came from great financal investment, with a splash of raw talent and great attitudes.) Sure, they have great attitudes and great talent... But, the sad truth remains - these kids will be the very rare exception because: 1) Not every parent can spend more than the average US household income a year on their kids hobby and passion. 2) Not every kid/skydiver will be sponsored for the sake of tunnel marketing - because the tunnels need profit too. If anything was given to them by the tunnel, will the tunnel do it for every kid who walks in the door? Every skydiver? So, I don't believe they really are "the future" of our sport as the name "Team Future" might imply - simply because of the financial inability for people to follow in their footsteps. Now, attitudes, skills, ways to learn, etc - yes the tunnel is a great new(er) tool, and new skydivers at the DZ who have an hour or two in the tunnel are proving to be great people, great friends, and great assets to the community... They just won't head down on their AFF level 1... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #17 November 26, 2007 Quote They also have not exited an aircraft, been more than 10 feet from another flyer, or broken off from a skydive. They ARE good flyers, but nowhere near being skydivers. They have been more than 10 feet apart and fly better than you do. No one is saying they are skydivers. Just saying their body flight skills are equal to someone with 7K+ skydives. Why are people being haters? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #18 November 26, 2007 QuoteMs. Tinucci says she's not scared by the idea of her children someday leaping from airplanes. "They fly as well or better then many instructors," she says. "Their skill is equal to the skill of someone with 7,000 to 10,000 jumps from a plane." I can't speak for anyone else, and methinks you're being too sensitive, but I never said they were not great flyers. I admire their talent, am a little envious of their skills, and excited to see children having so much fun. Working with kids was one of my favorite things about working in the wind tunnel enviornment. I state that they are NOT skydivers, and have quite a bit to learn in order to become one. The statement in the article that implied that they were better than skydiving instructors was an indirect slap in the fact towards skydiving instructors in general.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #19 November 26, 2007 I wonder just how many of the moms will take Jr. to the DZ when they turn 18 to actually jump out at 13,000. My ankle biters and mrs. grimmie have loved flying in the tunnel, however making a leap is another step altogether! At least the kids(and parents) are being exposed to it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #20 November 26, 2007 I'm not knocking your program but you can not be told over and over that you are better than everyone else without it eventually taking it's toll on your attitude. You also have to compare apples to apples. My last thought on this is it is easy to become great when someone else is paying the bills. It's great that these kids have become good at something they like but to compare them to people that have worked hard and paid the price of thousands of jumps is just not the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #21 November 26, 2007 > They do fly as well as or better than skydiver with 7k+ skydives . . . Well, they fly in a tunnel as well or better than skydivers with 7K+ skydivers fly in a tunnel. Which is great. When they decide to start jumping, they'll be in a good position to learn the rest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #22 November 26, 2007 QuoteThe statement in the article that implied that they were better than skydiving instructors was an indirect slap in the fact towards skydiving instructors in general. I think you are being to sensitive. How else should it be said? "They fly at least as well as though they have 7K+ jumps, minus the exit skills, the altitude awareness, emergency procedures, and canopy skills."? She, nor I are trying to say they are skydivers. I just don't know any other way of expressing their abilities. It is in no way a slam on skydivers or skydiving Instructors. It in no way is meant to imply that if they want to jump out of an airplane someday, they won't have to learn exits, altitude awareness, emergency procedures, and canopy control. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #23 November 26, 2007 QuoteI'm not knocking your program but you can not be told over and over that you are better than everyone else without it eventually taking it's toll on your attitude. You also have to compare apples to apples. I guess you have to meet them to understand. QuoteMy last thought on this is it is easy to become great when someone else is paying the bills. Sure, and all those kids whose parents pay for gymnastics,their kids become world class athletes and they didn't have to do anything at all. Their parents pay the gym and the kids magically get better with no effort on the kid's part. How difficult it is doesn't change if you or someone else is paying for the training. This sounds like jealousy to me. QuoteIt's great that these kids have become good at something they like but to compare them to people that have worked hard and paid the price of thousands of jumps is just not the same. They have worked hard as well. How is it not the same? How should their skills be expressed? Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #24 November 26, 2007 QuoteI just don't know any other way of expressing their abilities. How about respecting that they are on the leading edge of a new sport and stop comparing them to skydivers.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #25 November 26, 2007 QuoteWell, they fly in a tunnel as well or better than skydivers with 7K+ skydivers fly in a tunnel. Yep, and that is all their mom was saying. I don't think she was saying that her kids can out-swoop PD's factory team. I am surprised by some people's reactions to these kids. Their skills demonstrate the value of the tunnel and good coaching can have. QuoteWhen they decide to start jumping, they'll be in a good position to learn the rest. IF, they decide to start jumping. That is a long way off. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
