efs4ever 3 #1 December 9, 2007 Fun video. Airborne Exits Gone South Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SansSuit 1 #2 December 10, 2007 Not one of them had a decent arch ! Peace, -Dawson. http://www.SansSuit.com The Society for the Advancement of Naked Skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efs4ever 3 #3 December 10, 2007 Even WORSE Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XXXFloydXXX 0 #4 December 10, 2007 I had a few bad exits out the door of 130s. Always happened when I wasnt #1 jumper. Fixed that problem by always going out first. Bounced off the skid of a Huey one time too. I saw a video when I was at Rigger school of a LAPES drop gone wrong with the C-130 actually burning in from coming in too hot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 December 11, 2007 QuoteI had a few bad exits out the door of 130s. Always happened when I wasnt #1 jumper. Fixed that problem by always going out first. Bounced off the skid of a Huey one time too. I saw a video when I was at Rigger school of a LAPES drop gone wrong with the C-130 actually burning in from coming in too hot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about the Canadian Air Force LAPES drop (circa 1981) where the load jammed, the extraction chutes provided too much drag, forcing the C-130 to stall and crash, killing all onboard? The fact that jammed LAPES pallet shifted te center og gravity too far aft for controlled flight did not help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #7 December 11, 2007 Quote Not one of them had a decent arch ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh! They never heard the word "arch" before their first jump. OTOH they heard and practiced "jab" a few thousand times. Airborne exits have far more in common with sit-flying. riggerrob Canadian Army Basic Paratrooper Wings West German Army Bronze Paratrooper Wings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #8 December 11, 2007 Quote Even WORSE I liked the first one with the jumpers better. Especially the ones where the kids just do an ass drop on to the edge of the door and then just kinda roll out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgw 8 #9 December 11, 2007 I heard a very experienced Instructor (now a CCI in the UK) express the view that he would like to see first jump SL (direct bag) students do an exit facing the rear of the plane, back to the wind, arms in, like the military, and then progress them onto the standard exits used. My recollection is that he was of the view this was an easier exit for first jump students, with a lower potential for 'problems'. He said it wasn't a popular view. I couldn't see any obvious objections to it. I likened it, in my own mind, to doing a tandem before AFF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 December 11, 2007 QuoteI heard a very experienced Instructor (now a CCI in the UK) express the view that he would like to see first jump SL (direct bag) students do an exit facing the rear of the plane, back to the wind, arms in, like the military, and then progress them onto the standard exits used. My recollection is that he was of the view this was an easier exit for first jump students, with a lower potential for 'problems'. He said it wasn't a popular view. I couldn't see any obvious objections to it. I likened it, in my own mind, to doing a tandem before AFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am forced to agree with your old CCI. Since students instinctively curl up into a fetal position, we might as well teach that during the first jump. At least they can learn something about canopy control .... after they open their eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgw 8 #11 December 11, 2007 Quote Quote I heard a very experienced Instructor (now a CCI in the UK) express the view that he would like to see first jump SL (direct bag) students do an exit facing the rear of the plane, back to the wind, arms in, like the military, and then progress them onto the standard exits used. My recollection is that he was of the view this was an easier exit for first jump students, with a lower potential for 'problems'. He said it wasn't a popular view. I couldn't see any obvious objections to it. I likened it, in my own mind, to doing a tandem before AFF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am forced to agree with your old CCI. Since students instinctively curl up into a fetal position, we might as well teach that during the first jump. At least they can learn something about canopy control .... after they open their eyes. That was pretty much what he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
