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Some of us have been around alot longer then you. We know where Skyride was born. Weather you like it or not Skyride was born at ASC. It is a shame that the jumpers today have to live under that shadow but that's the way it is. Your DZOs are crooks.



Yep some of you have been around longer than myself. And whether(not weather) you like it or not USPA took it out on the wrong businesses. What did USPA accomplish? Nothing, well they did waste the money of their members.

But you know, I knew you would be the first to jump my butt, you always are.




I hope that you don't think that this settlement means that all is well at Skyride/ASC.

USPA didn't dot their I's and cross their T's and they had to retreat. It does not mean that this action was uncalled for.

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I don't see my statement as jumping your butt. Grow up.



You grow up, every time I'm here you have something smart alleck to say. Heck most of your posts regardless of who you are talking to has something smart alleck to say. You're not happy unless you're pissed. What a miserable way to live.

USPA should not have pulled the dropzones memberships period.

Let's punish the dropzones and all who jump there because of the owners owning Skyride.

Didn't cross their T's and dot their I's, bull, that's what attorneys are for. And USPA's didn't do their job.

Ya'll cry about ASC but the truth is you're just pissed because they do a ton of business.

You made the statement that most rain checks don't come back, prove it, you can't.

Get over it. There's nothing that says you can't advertise in other states.

I design web sites and provide web hosting. Nothing says I'm limited to sticking to the city I'm in. If I had to do that I'd be broke because there isn't enough business where I live.

If you don't like it then advetise your dropzone more.

Like I said 90 percent of ya wouldn't like what I said and there's nothing I can do about it.

Guess what I don't like some of the things you say and there's nothing you can do about that either.

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Why the hell would people make all of this shit up. Think about it man.



Never said anyone made up anything.

All one has to do is check the Better Business Bureau's web site and you can see every complaint ever filed against Skyride. I know that, you know that, and every other skydiver out there knows that. You can also see that most of those complaints have been settled in some form or fashion.

Do a Google search and you can find plenty. But they, USPA, should not have pulled the DZ's memebrships. That was wrong and does not support the sport. Now had there been safety issues at the DZs that would be different.

I know that the owners of Skyride own ASC. I also know that ASC, not Skyride, is an awesome place to skydive. Besides Skyride's parking lot could hurt if you didn't stand the landing.

My biggest gripe is the rap that ASC gets because of Skyride. It's inevitable for sure. But the USPA should not have pulled the dropzones memberships and that just added to the bad rap. "They're not a USPA DZ" has been one of the first things I hear when people complain about ASC.

When I started skydiving at ASC they did not require USPA membership for AFF. But as soon as you completed AFF not only did they tell you that you had to have a USPA membership but also explained the benefits of belonging to such an organization. But they themselves were no longer a USPA DZ. Who was bineg the better man or bigger group in that situation?

You know I went to Chicagoland with 3 ASC employees for a $199, all you could jump boogie. They knew we where from ASC and treated us like fellow skydivers and showed us an awesome time. I did my first 2 way hybrid, 4 way exit, & 12 way formation. No one even treated me like a newbie, even though I'am, much less like ugh there's an ASC skydiver. Some of them even went out of their way to share their condolences with me over Jon's death our 1st weekend in Prattvile back on July 28th.

I went to Cullman and most everyone there treated me nice as well and they all knew I was from an ASC DZ.

When in Cedartown I'll slip over to the Farm from time to time. Hell even partied there last New Years.

I don't give people crap about where they jump. Doesn't matter to me, they're jumping and that's what it is suppose to be about isn't it?

And what about the employees at ASC DZ's? If you shut down Cedartown & Prattville where would they work? The Farm? Cullman? Emerald Coast?

You of all people should know how hard skydiving jobs can be to come by sometimes. It's feast or famine.

As much bad as there can be said about Skyride there's some good that can be said too.

It's a bad situation anyway you look it, regardless of who's side you want to take. Skyride should do the best they can to serve their customres and the USPA should not have pulled ASC DZ's memberships.

And who has made the most money out of all this mess? The lawyers for both sides, that's who.

And other than ASC DZs getting their USPA membership back what has been accomplished?

A big fat nothing.

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And other than ASC DZs getting their USPA membership back what has been accomplished?

A big fat nothing.



Well, I agree that the lawyers got the most out of it, but at least a lot of people got alerted about skyride and their business practices.

You aren't making much of a point though. You keep talking about how skydivers shouldn't associate ASC (adventure skydiving connecticut?) and their jumpers with skyride, but then you say that you get treated great everywhere you go. You say that skyride is bad, then you say that they are just trying to get more customers by advertising where they don't do business.

The fact is that ASC jumpers support the owners of skyride, which supports skyride. They use their crooked tactics against their local competition. Last thing we need is for ASC to expand to the areas where nobody will do business with them.

ASC=skyride, whether or not you agree with what they do.

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I design web sites and provide web hosting. Nothing says I'm limited to sticking to the city I'm in. If I had to do that I'd be broke because there isn't enough business where I live.



So did you help to design any of the FRAUDULENT web pages that ASC/Skyride use to lure un-suspecting jumpers?


ASC has hundreds of fake web pages (fraudulent) used to draw jumpers to them from across state lines and with out disclosing the location till money is exchanged.

That is why the ASC DZ got bounced as well as the Skyride owners. The whole Criminal enterprise is connected.

Try again. How many more fake profiles ya going to run up in here? you seem to have a long standing issue with spence yet you have been a member here 60 days? hmmm
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I wonder how many of these overly vocal skyride supporters jump at other dropzones.

Man up, go make some "I support skyride" t shirts when you head to non ASC dz's. You shouldn't have any issue with that after all since your so in love with their business practices, and find nothing wrong with their actions. See how many skydiving friends you still have.

Personally I wouldn't piss on the whole lot of ya if you were on fire! :D

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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I design web sites and provide web hosting. Nothing says I'm limited to sticking to the city I'm in. If I had to do that I'd be broke because there isn't enough business where I live.



So did you help to design any of the FRAUDULENT web pages that ASC/Skyride use to lure un-suspecting jumpers?


ASC has hundreds of fake web pages (fraudulent) used to draw jumpers to them from across state lines and with out disclosing the location till money is exchanged.

That is why the ASC DZ got bounced as well as the Skyride owners. The whole Criminal enterprise is connected.

Try again. How many more fake profiles ya going to run up in here? you seem to have a long standing issue with spence yet you have been a member here 60 days? hmmm



1) No I haven't done any web page work for Skyride

2) I've had 2 profiles here. The first one's password got screwed up and I couldn't get logged back in.
So you really should know what you're talking about before you start accusing me of anything personally.

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How about a related question - If USPA did NOT have a GM program - how many DZOs would still run for seats on the board?



Probably the same amount that would run for conference director's[:/]

Even if DZO's wouldn't run for office they could still call the shots thru their employee's/straw men.

FWIW Spence you can smart ass me anytimeB|

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You know I went to Chicagoland with 3 ASC employees for a $199, all you could jump boogie. They knew we where from ASC and treated us like fellow skydivers and showed us an awesome time.



Why can't you seem to understand that pulling the DZs membership was a result of the actions of the DZ owners, plain and simple.

It was not a personal attack on the staff or jumpers at the DZs.

What Skyride is doing is not good for skydiving. It's not good in the respect that a DZO can no longer count on pulling from their local population for business without those customers being sniped by Skyride, at which point the DZO is forced to cut Skyride into the deal.

It's also not good in the respect that Skyride does not maintain very high standards for customer service. Over charging, bogus extra fees, and lying about the proximity of participating DZ to get a credit card number are not ways to get and retain new skydivers. Sure, most tandems are one-time jumpers, but the few who would continue on to make additional jumps should have a good first jump experience to facilitate ongoing training.

I'm sure that being a web designer, you can easily see how their practice of stealing content to produce fake DZ websites is a bad thing. Seeing as the content all originated from other skydivers, you can see how that situation is not good for skydiving.


With all this in mind, you still cannot see why the USPA would not want any connection or association with these people?

Don't look at the end result of the lawsuit as any sort of indication that what they are doing is right. We all know that lawyers have a way making bad things OK.

All it takes is one procedural mistake on the part of a lay-person (such as a USPA BOD memeber) to give the lawyers a foothold.

Think about cops and the miranda rights. If they forget to read you your rights, you're off the hook for whatever they arrested you for in the first place. You may have indeed comitted a crime, but the procedure wasn't followed, so you get away with it.

Does the name OJ ring a bell?

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I am not sure who you are but chances are I know you. I know most ASC Jumpers and the Majority of the Jumpers and staff there are great people that I consider Friends.

That said, Here is why ASC (The Dropzone) is so closely tied to Skyride.. Skyride was built out of ASC. The business model that started ASC is the Business model for Skyride. ASC was using the fake websites and lies long before the owners of ASC started Skyride. In the late 90`s ASC had dozens of web sites and was known for no matter where you called from, they were only 20 minutes away. They also would pretend to be the Rome DZ or any other DZ someone thought they were calling.

They were so successful with this business model they took it nation wide by starting Skyride.

Skyride was ran and operated completely out of ASC for the first year or two it existed. ASC created Skyride.

Also you keep talking about the BBB. They have no authority at all. They are just an organization that some places choose to be a member of. For every complaint filed with the BBB, there are atleast 100 other customers that didn’t file one that felt the same way.

How do you feel about the "Big Plane" scam and "All the way up" scams that ASC pull on their Tandems? How about the $139 Tandem Scam?? They tell the customer that the jump is $139 they just need a $50 deposit. Then when they get there they find out it is $139 PLUS the $50 deposit. If the customer doesn’t like that, Tough shit.. Then they just loose the deposit.

How do you think these scams make our sport look?

Again this is NOT about the Jumpers and Staff there. I am certain that I will see many of the Jumpers and Staff from ASC this weekend and will do what I always do, Invite them in and offer them a beer and hope one day they see that what ASC (The Business) is doing and has done to this sport is Wrong.

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..."They're not a USPA DZ" has been one of the first things I hear when people complain about ASC...



I don't know who you've been talking to, but I've never heard anyone really complain about this. If the new students knew as much about USPA to make that call, they wouldn't have been duped by SR in the first place. I will also assert that the removal did little more than provide a symbolic gesture, no real damage. And before that statement is countered with "well, the courts found otherwise," the courts had little to do with it.

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...as soon as you completed AFF not only did they tell you that you had to have a USPA membership but also explained the benefits of belonging to such an organization...



Who are you kidding (I assure you, no one reading this, regardless of whose side they are on)? It was for no noble gesture towards the merits of being in USPA individually, and you know it - or have you forgotten about all the "fuck the USPA" threads and posts that recently disappeared from the P-ville forum (marked both pre- and post-settlement)?
It's for the third-party liability insurance. I believe that's why most people are in USPA anyway.

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You know I went to Chicagoland with 3 ASC employees for a $199, all you could jump boogie. They knew we where from ASC and treated us like fellow skydivers and showed us an awesome time...

I went to Cullman and most everyone there treated me nice as well and they all knew I was from an ASC DZ.

When in Cedartown I'll slip over to the Farm from time to time. Hell even partied there last New Years.



Well, isn't Chicagoland a proud member of the "network?" What does your warm reception there prove? To me, out of your own words here, you show that the anti-SR population at (at least) Cullman and the Farm still treat you with decency and respect as an individual jumper (and customer), and don't harass you for your association with the other dropzones - which is what you still seem to be pleading for.

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...You of all people should know how hard skydiving jobs can be to come by sometimes. It's feast or famine...



Which is one of the reasons those who dislike SR do, even though they are constantly thrown the line of "...if you're not a dzo, why do you care?"

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And who has made the most money out of all this mess? The lawyers for both sides, that's who.



Unless you have some knowledge that has not been made public, this has not been shown yet. I'll wait until I know more before deciding who benefits most.
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...And whether(not weather)...



(JCW's earlier amendment of Spence's hurried slip of homonym, which, by the way, happens all the time on website forums revolving around activities beholden to the weather)

...and veiled attempts at insult such as this, with admonishing and snickering correction, are duly noted. If we want to set about grading posts, then this English major can start wearing out my red pen beginning with you.
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...And whether(not weather)...




...and veiled attempts at insult such as this, with admonishing and snickering correction, are duly noted. If we want to set about grading posts, then this English major can start wearing out my red pen beginning with you.


Hell.....Bill Von told me to shutup ealier in the thread for a much more benign exchange than this one. :)


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you are correct we did treat you like skydivers because are, most of us at chicagoland do not like skyride or their practices nor do we want the dzo to support them but we don't have a choice on how the dz is run just like you don't control skyride's practices. If i don't like something i speak up and say what i feel is needed regaurdless of the what might happen. this has left me with a not so good relationship with the currant dzo but i don't care. i would rather be kicked off the dz than not stand up for what is right. you are not a bad person because you jump at asc only if you protect the unethical practices that go on their. A good character is more important than being allowed to jump at a dz. If more people would stand up for what is right skyride wouldn't be doing what they are doing. when was the last time you told ben and carey that what they are doing is wrong ? your character not strong enough ?

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