rehmwa 2 #26 January 28, 2008 Quote You must decide on your own when to leave the safety of her apron... - he can "decide on his own when to leave" only once he's a legal adult. If he selfishly leaves while underage, she'll still be responsible for him. Only then she'd have little control over his actions and STILL have to cover his ass - what a crappy thing to do to someone that's trying to care for you. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #27 January 28, 2008 Quote Ok, ya' tried bein' nice, diplomatic & yadda yadda....now it's time to get ugly. Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit, talk to some people and observe a few student jumps. Most of the fears go away, once they see for themselves that it all "ain't so muchk of a muchk". Who knows, maybe you & mom can get on the same load! Well, I don't know about THAT advice. Maybe Mom will totally freak out when she sees the freeflyers. "SKYDIVE because your mother told you not to" - USPA bumper sticker.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 January 29, 2008 Maybe you should cut your mom a little slack. You aren't the only problem that she has. Don't add another worry to it. Move out. Get a job. Pay for your own skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #30 January 29, 2008 Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit... Quote I can see THAT goin' bad on so many levels! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #31 January 29, 2008 Skydiving is something that takes a tremendous amount of money and time. Go have fun being 16 and get back to this later."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #32 January 29, 2008 Quote Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit... Quote I can see THAT goin' bad on so many levels! I would have to say what I say to all the 18yo hottie tandems. "Is your mom here with you today?" MILFs need love too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #33 January 29, 2008 Quote Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I can see THAT goin' bad on so many levels! Well, it might, but speaking as a mother (and grandmother), it might have got me in the air at a whole lot younger age. I do realize I'm probably not a standard model mom and grandma, but i know I'm not the only one who likes a little excitement in her life. "safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #34 January 29, 2008 How old is your mom? The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtested 0 #35 January 29, 2008 Quote So my mom says I can't go sky diving... how can I convince her to let me go? Her main issue is safety, of course... I think tunnel time is a good idea, but i also think its great to go out there and do it...(i find the tunnel quie boaring) If your that keen and sensible enough to get advice about anything than i think you are ready to go... It is a risky sport but no more than rugby American football boxing, or even horse riding. Find the statistics out for injurys and deaths in the sports your mum lets you participate in, and show her that it is not as the risky a sport as she may think. (When I wanted to "box" at 14 i had a great coach who came and met my mum, because she did not want me to get into the ring, and I mean she hated the idea, would have let me go skydiving rather than box he came with all the facts and figures, and awnsers to her concerns. He made rational arguments of why it was safe for me to box, she still did not like it but she understood both my passion for the sport. and she understod that a lot of preconceptions of am box were mis-guided) Go to your dz and talk to the aff coach's, maybe go and pack like nwflyer recomends, then ask one of them to chat to your mom about it. It will show both comitment, and an unmovable intrest in the sport. If she's still against it and your like me, you'll jump somehow.. with her permission on not + a little fake ID. but if you take that route. Choose your DZ carfully and make sure you are ready to except the risk of the sport. Which are tinyyou only get one chance at life.....but You only have one mother Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #36 January 30, 2008 Quote Drag mom to the local dz and let her mill around a bit... Quote I can see THAT goin' bad on so many levels! No kidding! Who wants to have the high of making your first jump to be followed that night by the downer of seeing your own mother dancing drunk and naked around the campfire?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 January 30, 2008 QuoteIt is a risky sport but no more than rugby American football boxing, or even horse riding. Find the statistics out for injurys and deaths in the sports your mum lets you participate in, and show her that it is not as the risky a sport as she may think. so says the guy with a claimed WL of 1.56. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yamtx73 0 #38 January 30, 2008 Quote It is a risky sport but no more than rugby American football boxing, or even horse riding. I'd love to see where you came up with the statistics to back up this statement. AFAIK skydiving is one of the most dangerous sports to participate in, a fairer comparison would be tow-in surfing where you're towed into the wave by a jetski...The only naturals in this sport shit thru feathers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 January 30, 2008 QuoteIt is a risky sport but no more than rugby American football boxing, or even horse riding. Find the statistics out for injurys and deaths in the sports your mum lets you participate in, and show her that it is not as the risky a sport as she may think. In skydiving, unlike almost all other activities, a 100% systems failure of your equipment is virtually certain to result in your death. This is the one inescapable fact about skydiving which cannot be denied (with honesty), and which whuffos do understand intuitively (even if they over-estimate the possibility). Parents - who instinctively fear for the lives of their children - understand this, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #40 January 30, 2008 QuoteIn skydiving, unlike almost all other activities, a 100% systems failure of your equipment is virtually certain to result in your death. This is the one inescapable fact about skydiving which cannot be denied (with honesty), and which whuffos do understand intuitively (even if they over-estimate the possibility). Parents - who instinctively fear for the lives of their children - understand this, too. That's really well put.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grannyinthesky 0 #41 January 30, 2008 QuoteIn skydiving, unlike almost all other activities, a 100% systems failure of your equipment is virtually certain to result in your death. This is the one inescapable fact about skydiving which cannot be denied (with honesty), and which whuffos do understand intuitively (even if they over-estimate the possibility). Parents - who instinctively fear for the lives of their children - understand this, too. As a parent, I can understand the desire to protect my children, but i also realize that I cannot wrap them in a cocoon and not allow them the chance to live full lives. My kids are in their 30's but I hope I would have had the wisdom to allow them to choose to skydive if that had been their choice. There are much worse things kids can choose to do."safety first... and What the hell..... safety second, Too!!! " ~~jmy POPS #10490 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtested 0 #42 January 30, 2008 Its less dangerous than rock fishing, Stats for deaths whilst rock fishing in australia alone were 14 deaths in 2001, which was less than the 7 deaths in australia whilst skydiving. 39 people died skiing in the french alps alone in 2007 compared to the 27 people whilst skydiving in the us. Look up most list compiled of the worlds most dangerous sports. our base jumping friends are at number on, then bull fighting, rock climbing, surfing, etc etc.. 2007 showed one of the lowest amounts of deaths in the sport. 60, going through them many show us that if better training had been given, better equipment used, a lot of these may have turned into injuries rather than deaths. If we cut the bravardo out a little, skydiving saftey has really been improved by better knowledge, safer rigs, and parachutes that will open as long as they have been packed correctly. (In the 1980's the stats were 1 death in every 700 participents) its People who make the sport dangerous, spiraling down in front of me on approach, cough (USAF) cough. last week. or badley maintained equipment, poor training, people not reacting to malfunctions correctly or people pushing the limits. Yes, there is an element of risk, but if his mum lets him ski, skateboard, motorbike, rock fish, these things have led to more deaths than skydiving has. I'm not trying to take the risk part out so he does not understand the danger, but I don't have a death wish and if i truley thought i had a good chance of dying whilst skydiving i would not participate in it (ok i would, i'd just be a bit more careful)Just my 1p though, i'm sure some will disagree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtested 0 #43 January 30, 2008 Quote Quote It is a risky sport but no more than rugby American football boxing, or even horse riding. Find the statistics out for injurys and deaths in the sports your mum lets you participate in, and show her that it is not as the risky a sport as she may think. so says the guy with a claimed WL of 1.56. I'm got big bones, and i'm a little dense. Or it may i'm big with dense bones 170 from next week!! oh joy, time to lose some weight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #44 January 30, 2008 QuoteIts less dangerous than rock fishing, Stats for deaths whilst rock fishing in australia alone were 14 deaths in 2001, which was less than the 7 deaths in australia whilst skydiving. 39 people died skiing in the french alps alone in 2007 compared to the 27 people whilst skydiving in the us. I think you are missing something very important here - the number of participants in each activity. No astronauts died in space last year. I suppose that makes space flight the safest activity of all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrismgtis 0 #45 January 30, 2008 In two years you will be able to do it. You will be 18 and can make your own choice and will also have way more places to do it.Rodriguez Brother #1614, Muff Brother #4033 Jumped: Twin Otter, Cessna 182, CASA, Helicopter, Caravan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #46 January 30, 2008 QuoteIn two years you will be able to do it. You will be 18 and can make your own choice and will also have way more places to do it.But even then you'll have to consider whether you have enough money to jump, and if your parents are supporting you, whether they'll support your jumping. Otherwise there'll be another thread in a couple of years "My parents won't pay for my FJC" Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #47 January 30, 2008 Quote I think you are missing something very important here - the number of participants in each activity. I enjoy telling people that fishing is dangerous. Every year about 3000 people die in the USA in fishing accidents (drowning). But yes, I do intentinoally leave out the number of perticipants part of the equasion. I do think that honestly one of the most dangerous things people do is to drive while tired, and especially at night. Not only is it dangerous, but you expose everyone in the car, often the entire family including young children to this very real danger. That said, people drive every day (often while eating, talking on the phone, and putting on make-up, some all at the same time), so it's considered an every day activity, as opposed to something "dangerous". Then you get the "yeah, but we have to drive". Maybe, but surely not as much as you do. If we never took any "unnecessary risks" we'd all die at home of some heinous death like from slipping while showering, and hitting your head on the toilet! How embarrassing is that?!?Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #48 January 30, 2008 Your first mistake was telling her. A series of mistakes is the main cause of death. Tell her you don't want to make the first mistake again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeatlast 0 #49 January 30, 2008 Some suggestions (some of which have already been mentioned here) 1. Take your mum to the DZ - show her how carefully we look after our safety - get her to talk to someone RESPONSIBLE who can explain the FACTS. Also be aware that if she's hot then she may get hit on a bit by some of the locals - it's just a skydiver thing 2. Ask for her permission to hang around the dropzone - spend time working there and learning to pack or to manifest etc. This will make you a welcome member of the local dropzone and will earn you $$$'s which can be spent (later) on AFF or on things such as tunnel time which you could start doing now which will provide you with a whole range of skills for when you finally reach 18. 3. Find the nearest wind tunnel and try to get a part time job there - again this will provide you with great skills plus $$$'s for when you want your first rig etc ... To be fair you should try to work things out with her first ... I have spent many years 'at odds' with my mother over the dangerous things that i have done ... But i have always been honest with her, because if anything ever happened to me i would not want her to remember me as a liar ... I do not always fill her in on the details but if anything ever happens and is in the press then i generally give her a call to let her know i'm ok which seems to please her. Maybe she will never totally understand why you want to do these things or why you want to take these risks but at least if you are honest and try to be adult about things now then hopefully you will be able to respect each other as time goes on ... Just my 0.01p worth !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashtested 0 #50 January 31, 2008 I think you are missing something very important here - the number of participants in each activity. No astronauts died in space last year. I suppose that makes space flight the safest activity of all. Well the faa seem to think that going to space is safe enough... virgin galactic are letting 16 people go up on a tourist visit!!!!!! The sports as safe as the person or persons you go up with, if you pack your rig badley you'll increase your chance of dying, if you hook it in from 20 ft you could die, if you don't have a cypress and lose alti awerness you could die.... blah blah blah etc etc etc The kid wants to jump, if he's carful and well trained he will be fine, it's up to his instuctors to decide whether he is capable, or mentaly ready to jump. if he's not then they should bin him. Mums are important as well, but should not rule your life, (unless your under there roof, then its tough luck/love) But i say go and have fun, thats what its about... good luck rocket boy... oh to be young again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
