nate_1979 9 #26 January 19, 2005 QuoteNo offense, but I really doubt anyone will remember to disconect the RSL. I have never seen anyone do it. I actually drill disconnecting my RSL sometimes, I do it sometimes immediately after opening along with my other simulated handle pulls.. Who knows what i'll really do in a real situation, but I think that if I get in a situation that i decide I dont want the RSL it'll go away as soon as the thought crosses my mind.. I have the benifits of an RSL and feel confident that I can get rid of it if I feel the situation is not a good time for RSL deployment FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #27 January 19, 2005 I can think of very very few time where a RSL depolyment would be a bad thing if you have any canopy over your head. Can you name some of the times that you would not want a RSL deployment after getting a main overhead? (Double out does not count since the RSL would not deploy anything)Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #28 January 19, 2005 Quote] Thanks Tim, but I already knew that. That wasn't for you I'll be sure to choose who I reply to a bit more wisely next timeMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #29 January 19, 2005 QuoteI can think of very very few time where a RSL depolyment would be a bad thing if you have any canopy over your head. Can you name some of the times that you would not want a RSL deployment after getting a main overhead? (Double out does not count since the RSL would not deploy anything) There is only two situations that I think I would consider a RSL disconnect, 1) a spinning mal, which I think is less of a concern at my wing loading but still a possibility.. If I felt that I would be less than stable when cutting away, and that I had proper altitude, I would disconnect. The second would be a collision under canopy, depending on the situation... I think that it is very highly unlikely that I will encounter such a situation, however it makes me feel better to know that if I do encounter something I have put some thought into my full procedures under different situations, including a possible RSL disconnect. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #30 January 19, 2005 >1) a spinning mal I think this is a very bad idea. Trying to disconnect an RSL from a spinning mal may be a lot harder than you think. The effort makes you look away from your altimeter and the ground, and can take longer than you think. When you do get it disconnected, you might just find yourself at an altitude where an RSL would have saved your life, had you not just disconnected it. Also, spinning mals are often associated with harness shifts that can make it hard to find your reserve handle. If you are going to use an RSL, use it. If you are going to disconnect it during a mal, avoid the issue and never connect it to begin with. Adding a task like that to a cutaway could make your RSL a liability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #31 January 19, 2005 makes sense, never really considered that... Thanks for the advice Bill FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #32 January 19, 2005 QuoteI think this is a very bad idea. Trying to disconnect an RSL from a spinning mal may be a lot harder than you think. The effort makes you look away from your altimeter and the ground, and can take longer than you think. Bill, The last spinning mal I had was on a tandem, an EZ-384 no less (whicked lineover that went above and beyond normal lineovers). Why do I mention this? Because by the time I went "damnit, again?" and put my hands on the handles not much time had passed, BUT 500' had. And that was on a bigass tandem canopy. Trying to disconnect a RSL on a spinning mal on a sport canopy could make the difference between alive and burning in with your freebag coming off your back.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 January 19, 2005 QuoteThere is only two situations that I think I would consider a RSL disconnect, 1) a spinning mal The time it takes to disconect the RSL could kill you. You would be much better just cutting away. QuoteThe second would be a collision under canopy, depending on the situation If you have a collision under canop you will be LOW It is just such a case where you WANT an RSL. I don't like RSL's, but if you are going to have one, don't disconnect it. You are making the thing useless in the place that it works best...LOW."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #34 January 19, 2005 QuoteIf you have a collision under canop you will be LOW Not necessarily. I had a canopy collision right after opening (I pulled just above 3.)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #35 January 19, 2005 QuoteNot necessarily. I had a canopy collision right after opening (I pulled just above 3.) Do you normally do freefalls from 3 grand?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #36 January 20, 2005 Quote Do you normally do freefalls from 3 grand? Got one hop-n-pop at 2.6k .. Ugh, that was low.. Person before me actually had a hop-n-chop FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #37 January 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere is only two situations that I think I would consider a RSL disconnect, 1) a spinning mal The time it takes to disconect the RSL could kill you. You would be much better just cutting away. QuoteThe second would be a collision under canopy, depending on the situation If you have a collision under canop you will be LOW It is just such a case where you WANT an RSL. I don't like RSL's, but if you are going to have one, don't disconnect it. You are making the thing useless in the place that it works best...LOW. After reading all of your opinions, I have rethought through the procedures that I had mentioned before, and changed them ... That's one reason that this site rocks, you guys know stuff that I never think of.. Learn something new here almost every day FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #38 January 20, 2005 QuoteAfter reading all of your opinions, I have rethought through the procedures that I had mentioned before, and changed them ... Whether I may agree with the opinion(s), or not; or your net "change" (which BTW, in this case I do ); please be careful about just blanketly doing this! ANY opinion(s) you may get off this board (or any internet site, "chat" or what have you), ...even if they are MINE (well maybe not mine ...you can always take those immediately, 100% without question ...KIDDING!) Please take them to a LIVE PERSON (you know what I mean by that) who also knows you, and in whom you respect and trust ...Like a (truly ...not psuedo) senior jumper, S&TA, or instructor at your dropzone and discuss them. THEN consider, reconsider and decide what is best for yourself and your situation. Seriously. Now, back to our mindless molding duties in here at DZ.com at-hand. My apologies for the interuption to this otherwise regularly scheduled "service". -Grantcoitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #39 January 21, 2005 QuoteQuote Do you normally do freefalls from 3 grand? Got one hop-n-pop at 2.6k .. Ugh, that was low.. Person before me actually had a hop-n-chop Shit, 2.6K that is an altitude I have launched chunks from and turned points on in the past. Some things we have done we may not want to revisit but hell it was fun at the time. Free jumps at a boogie from 2.6 to 3K due to the clouds. DZO had PD tour in town for 4th of July Boogie and nobody was jumping so he started the Cessna and said "JUMP" so we did, hell it was free! Started as solos then went to 2 ways and finally chunking 4 ways with two different teams. Goal ended up becoming a 4 point 4 way and brioken by 2K. Both of us got to the 4 th point but had a grip out. Could not say differently as it was seen on the ground by the other team in each case. Living in the NW has also lead to having many jumps barley at 2K as solo h-n-p's Was this about an RSL? Oh well just got thinkig about the low exit altitudes that had been common before... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 January 21, 2005 QuoteGoal ended up becoming a 4 point 4 way and brioken by 2K. Both of us got to the 4 th point but had a grip out. Could not say differently as it was seen on the ground by the other team in each case. We had the Vulture and Double Vulture where I used to jump. A Vulture was a two point 4 way from 2 grand. A Double Vulture was a 4 point 4 way from 3-4 grand. Edit: BTW, don't anyone do this....we were fucking stupid and thought we were bullet proof."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #41 January 21, 2005 Ron's new tag line, "Jesus Christ could appear and tell them to upsize they'd figure "well, Jesus doesn't swoop anyway, so he wouldn't understand my skills." -BillV LOL, Oh sh*t it's true. "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 January 21, 2005 QuoteRon's new tag line, "Jesus Christ could appear and tell them to upsize they'd figure "well, Jesus doesn't swoop anyway, so he wouldn't understand my skills." -BillV LOL, Oh sh*t it's true. I wish I could take credit for it....But when Bill wrote it I loved it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #43 January 22, 2005 QuoteWe had the Vulture and Double Vulture where I used to jump. A Vulture was a two point 4 way from 2 grand. A Double Vulture was a 4 point 4 way from 3-4 grand. Edit: BTW, don't anyone do this....we were fucking stupid and thought we were bullet proof. Well hell, good to see others were jsut as fun oriented, aka stupid!! I also agree that this is a "Kids Please dont do this at home" type of thing... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GARYC24 3 #44 January 22, 2005 #1. I cannot reply to my reply I am about top post. I have RSL on my rig I jumped at a dropzone that have high winds at certain times. It would be benificial to disconnect the RSL before landing, just in case you get dragged and decide to cut-away the canopy while being dragged. (hey, it happens!,hahaha) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #45 January 23, 2005 Quoteat a dropzone that have high winds at certain times. It would be benificial to disconnect the RSL before landing, just in case you get dragged and decide to cut-away the canopy while being dragged. Okay Gary, I'll "bite" on this one... You wanna expand upon this maybe & tell me why?? (And for those of you ready to jump in ....) Gary?...coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 January 24, 2005 QuoteOkay Gary, I'll "bite" on this one... You wanna expand upon this maybe & tell me why?? To save $50 on the repack. Although getting dragged by a reserve inflating due to an RSL only happens in movies. However, I've seen a high wind ground chop with a Skyhook that almost was bad. With the main canopy acting as a big-ass reserve PC the freebag had nearly left the reserve when the jumper turned and ran as fast as he could to grab the reserve/freebag. On the other hand, since the canopy is still packed so even if it did come out of the freebag the winds would have to be VERY serious to actually inflate the canopy enough to really screw up your day. At that point, why would someone be jumping in winds THAT strong?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #47 January 24, 2005 Quote"well, Jesus doesn't swoop anyway, so he wouldn't understand my skills." -BillV AFAIK He's the only one that don't need a parachute to "walk over water" - any swooper out there who can beat that? "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #48 January 24, 2005 QuoteQuote"well, Jesus doesn't swoop anyway, so he wouldn't understand my skills." -BillV AFAIK He's the only one that don't need a parachute to "walk over water" - any swooper out there who can beat that? I doubt it but there are some that are sure they can. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
