Highest Canopy ride?

[shropshire 0]

So I've seen a few threads over the years about Highest/longest FreeFall but what about the highest deployed canopy ride...

When would the air be thick enough to support a canopy
What type/size would it need to be ?
How fast would it be going (H & V)?

Any ideas?

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[jtval 0]

Well, I am not an engineer and this is where I'll prove it.


I would assume that anywhere within our atmosphere would be able to fly a canopy.

you would just lose some of the foward ratio to downward movement as the air is pushed into the cells.

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[shropshire 0]

But you'd need enough pressure to fill the canopy (the speed would probably do that - but how high would that speed be and at what altitude?).

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[jtval 0]

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But you'd need enough pressure to fill the canopy (the speed would probably do that - but how high would that speed be and at what altitude?).

well I guess I'll refer to my first sentance and go with "fast"

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[DougH 270]

I dunno... but get high enough and you are going to want to figure out how to deploy it very gently. The differential between freefall speeds and deployment is going to be a bitch!

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[auburnguy 0]

ive seen some videos of instructors deploying canopies of students who couldnt get stable at around 12k feet.

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[DougH 270]

I am not talking normal skydiving altitude... think higher

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I dunno... but get high enough and you are going to want to figure out how to deploy it very gently. The differential between freefall speeds and deployment is going to be a bitch!

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So I've seen a few threads over the years about Highest/longest FreeFall but what about the highest deployed canopy ride...

When would the air be thick enough to support a canopy
What type/size would it need to be ?
How fast would it be going (H & V)?

Any ideas?

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Yes, according to wikipedia, he had.

[GLIDEANGLE 1]

Para Flite's Intruder canopy for military operations (High altitude high opening) is advertised with a maximum deployment altitude of 30,000 ft. Their PARIS canopy is advertised with a max depolyment antitude of 25,000 ft.

http://paraflite.com/Intruder%20Main%20Canopy.htm

http://paraflite.com/PARIS.htm

These operations are intended to allow the jumper to exit FAR from the landing point. This allows for a stealthy entry without placing the aircraft near the canopy landing site.

From the Para-Flite web site:
Given a 25,000 foot exit altitude, an insertion team using the PARIS can travel over 40 kilometers without factoring wind effects. Given favorable wind conditions, the offset can be increased to over 75 kilometers. This increased distance provides additional safety for the aircrew and improved security for the insertion team.

I figure the maximum height for canopy flight is pretty high. I also figure that the limiting factors for such flight are NOT the canopy... but keeping a human alive in the cold and low oxygen/pressure environment.

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I also figure that the limiting factors for such flight are NOT the canopy... but keeping a human alive in the cold and low oxygen/pressure environment.

One would also expect some kind of specialised 'seating' arrangement. Travelling 40+ kilometers under canopy could play havoc with one's blood circulation.

[James.UWE 0]

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ive seen some videos of instructors deploying canopies of students who couldnt get stable at around 12k feet.

Assuming that exit altitude is between 12-15k, the instructor isnt really giving the student much chance to get stable is he? Unless they where injured etc?

[shropshire 0]

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I am not talking normal skydiving altitude... think higher

Waaaaaayyy Higher

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

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Para Flite's Intruder canopy for military operations (High altitude high opening) is advertised with a maximum deployment altitude of 30,000 ft. Their PARIS canopy is advertised with a max depolyment antitude of 25,000 ft.

http://paraflite.com/Intruder%20Main%20Canopy.htm

http://paraflite.com/PARIS.htm

These operations are intended to allow the jumper to exit FAR from the landing point. This allows for a stealthy entry without placing the aircraft near the canopy landing site.

From the Para-Flite web site:
Given a 25,000 foot exit altitude, an insertion team using the PARIS can travel over 40 kilometers without factoring wind effects. Given favorable wind conditions, the offset can be increased to over 75 kilometers. This increased distance provides additional safety for the aircrew and improved security for the insertion team.

I figure the maximum height for canopy flight is pretty high. I also figure that the limiting factors for such flight are NOT the canopy... but keeping a human alive in the cold and low oxygen/pressure environment.

Pah :- My paraglider can do that and I dont need O2... just a Mars Bar and bottle of diet coke.

I need higher yet.....

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[shropshire 0]

Drouge smouge... I want a REAL canopy

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[shropshire 0]

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I also figure that the limiting factors for such flight are NOT the canopy... but keeping a human alive in the cold and low oxygen/pressure environment.

One would also expect some kind of specialised 'seating' arrangement. Travelling 40+ kilometers under canopy could play havoc with one's blood circulation.

I've sat in my paraglider harness for a 7 hour flight... Comfort is do-able.

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[ltdiver 3]

Have you heard this story? Woman is lucky to be alive! 32,000' in a storm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/17/wparag17.xml

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[Andrewwhyte 1]

If the airfoil is going fast enough it should fly. The only limits I can see are mach and the induced turbulence around that, and the amount of drag, especially parasitic drag caused by the lines and load going that fast.

[DBCOOPER 5]

When I was out at Davis for high altitude jumps a couple of years ago there were some British Military guys that did either hop and pops or static line jumps at 30K,on rounds.

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If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[shropshire 0]

Yeap - heard that ... but I'm thinking even higher

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[shropshire 0]

But would there be a lot of drag because the air is thing (which is why the Canopy would be going so fast).. ??

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[shropshire 0]

That's cool but think even higher..... Lets push the envelope to the edge of space... What's to stop us?

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[ltdiver 3]

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Yeap - heard that ... but I'm thinking even higher

Yeah, but I'm thinking of human survival, not canopy strength.
Unless you're wanting to consider unmanned canopy flight. Then yeah...alot higher is available.

ltdiver

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[BillyVance 35]

Not that it has any relevance here but the base group of the CRW world record 100 way were jumping out at 20,000 feet, maybe a bit higher.

That might be the highest load of hop and pops ever.

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