jlmiracle 7 #1 March 19, 2008 I've noticed for a while, in a few ads and in other places that what used to be RW is now FS (Formation Skydiving). I always though FS was short for Free Style. When did this happen and who did it? Is it because of VRW? If that was the case then shouldn't RW been changed to HRW instead of FS? Can't formations be built in all or at least most disciplines? JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #2 March 19, 2008 Quote Can't formations be built in all or at least most disciplines? True but RW stands/stood for "Relative Work" and it could equally be said that many disciplines including freeflying and CRW, not just traditional RW, involve movement "relative" to other skydivers."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #3 March 19, 2008 QuoteWhen did this happen and who did it? 4+ years ago and the FAI. At the same time CRW became CF. QuoteIs it because of VRW? No. Although VRW should really be VFS to fit in with the rest... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #4 March 19, 2008 Quote Quote When did this happen and who did it? 4+ years ago and the FAI. At the same time CRW became CF. *** Did they happen to say why they changed it? Is it suppose to be more politically correct?Is Freestyle still Freestyle or did they just eliminate that altogether? JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 March 19, 2008 Quote Did they happen to say why they changed it? So people would stop asking WTF RW is? IIRC, it was done with an eye toward skydiving being in the Olympics. The term "formation skydiving" is more descriptive and easier for whuffos to understand than is the term "relative work." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #6 March 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhen did this happen and who did it? 4+ years ago and the FAI. At the same time CRW became CF. QuoteIs it because of VRW? No. Although VRW should really be VFS to fit in with the rest... I heard that the FAI is calling VRW VFS now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 March 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteWhen did this happen and who did it? 4+ years ago and the FAI. At the same time CRW became CF. QuoteIs it because of VRW? No. Although VRW should really be VFS to fit in with the rest... I think it was just changed... I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that was one of things that the Competition Committee brought to the full board and was adopted as a change at the last USPA board meeting per IPC changes. If you look at the IPC changes that are posted in the RW forum, the references are all to VFS. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3142192"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #8 March 19, 2008 Why does our sport have so many TLAs?I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 March 19, 2008 On their website: Formation Skydiving : Formation Skydiving Competition Rules 2008 PDF File (109 KB) Formation Skydiving 4-Way Open Pool 2008 PDF File (701 Kb) Formation Skydiving 4-Way Random Pool 2008 PDF File (152 Kb) Formation Skydiving 8-Way Open Pool 2008 PDF File (711 Kb) Formation Skydiving 8-Way Random Pool 2008 PDF File (156 Kb) Vertical Formation Skydiving Competition Rules 2008 PDF File (105 KB) Vertical Formation Skydiving Dive Pool 2008 PDF File (368 KB) Summary of Formation Skydiving Rule Changes for 2008 PDF File (73 KB)Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #10 March 19, 2008 I have no idea. It's just what I was told by Doc Lee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZeG 0 #11 March 19, 2008 Quote Quote Did they happen to say why they changed it? So people would stop asking WTF RW is? IIRC, it was done with an eye toward skydiving being in the Olympics. The term "formation skydiving" is more descriptive and easier for whuffos to understand than is the term "relative work." Olympics?? I doubt they will ever be there. Too many people are too closeminded about skydiving, I have heard quite a few times "Skydiving? Thats no sport!"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,078 #12 March 19, 2008 >Too many people are too closeminded about skydiving . . . I think it's more that it's not a spectator sport. It would be like making climbing K2 an olympic event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #13 March 19, 2008 People have trouble relating to Skydiving. It's not something that they could easily see themselves doing. They don't have any way to judge how diffucult a move is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #14 March 19, 2008 Quote >Too many people are too closeminded about skydiving . . . I think it's more that it's not a spectator sport. It would be like making climbing K2 an olympic event. I agree. But I think Sky diving and Scuba diving should at least get a chance as exibition Olympic events... Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #15 March 19, 2008 QuoteWhen did RW become FS? Around the time Mae Wests became lineovers , and barber poles became line twists Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #16 March 19, 2008 QuoteI think it's more that it's not a spectator sport. It would be like making climbing K2 an olympic event. Plus, doesn't the IOC classify skydiving as a "motorized sport" making it ineligible?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #17 March 19, 2008 Quote I've noticed for a while, in a few ads and in other places that what used to be RW is now FS (Formation Skydiving). I always though FS was short for Free Style. When did this happen and who did it? Is it because of VRW? If that was the case then shouldn't RW been changed to HRW instead of FS? Can't formations be built in all or at least most disciplines?Judy [sarcasm] I think it has to do with the wuss-ificaiton of things (I could use a different word, but won't)... anyway.... I think it has to do with the wuss-ification of things in our society. I mean, you wouldn't want to offend someone by using the term Relative Work and have them then think that because there was Work involved that it was something that was difficult that one might have to expend some effort on. [/sarcasm] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #18 March 19, 2008 o so true.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #19 March 19, 2008 Quote Quote I think it's more that it's not a spectator sport. It would be like making climbing K2 an olympic event. Plus, doesn't the IOC classify skydiving as a "motorized sport" making it ineligible? Good point... On another tangent, who decided that Equestrian was going to be an Olympic sport? I think it's horseshit... and yes, pun intended. However, I think that possibly down the road when wind tunnels become more and more available and popular, we might see wind tunnel flying become an olympic sport because there wouldn't be any variables like you might encounter on a real skydive. Let them use one big enough for an 8 way. You could get a lot of work done in a day with one minute working time rounds. Don't forget we had an open air wind tunnel exhibition of sorts at a recent Olympic Opening Ceremony or was it the closing ceremony? I think it was the Sydney Oympics..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #20 March 19, 2008 Quote I think it has to do with the wuss-ificaiton of things (I could use a different word, but won't)... anyway.... I think it has to do with the wuss-ification of things in our society. I mean, you wouldn't want to offend someone by using the term Relative Work and have them then think that because there was Work involved that it was something that was difficult that one might have to expend some effort on. Or maybe people without relatives were offended. jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #21 March 19, 2008 Quote Quote I think it has to do with the wuss-ificaiton of things (I could use a different word, but won't)... anyway.... I think it has to do with the wuss-ification of things in our society. I mean, you wouldn't want to offend someone by using the term Relative Work and have them then think that because there was Work involved that it was something that was difficult that one might have to expend some effort on. Good point. I hadn't thought of that one. Or maybe people without relatives were offended. j Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #22 March 20, 2008 Quote Quote I think it's more that it's not a spectator sport. It would be like making climbing K2 an olympic event. Plus, doesn't the IOC classify skydiving as a "motorized sport" making it ineligible? It's no more a motorized sport than bobsledding or skiing. Unless you make the team carry the sled or the skiers hike to the top of the run each time. We've switched over to calling it VFS. The rule sheets, dive pools, and whatnot have always referred to it as "VRW/VFS" to the best of my knowledge. We also jokingly refer to FS as "HFS." ...but then why isn't CRW now CFS? What happened to the "S"? Did they forget they're skydiving cause they're not in freefall very long? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sletzer 3 #23 March 20, 2008 If anyone can dig up a video of that it would be cool to see I will be kissing hands and shaking babies all afternoon. Thanks for all your support! *bows* SCS #8251 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #24 March 20, 2008 I'm pretty sure it was linked somewhere on this site. Try a search...Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #25 March 20, 2008 Quote Don't forget we had an open air wind tunnel exhibition of sorts at a recent Olympic Opening Ceremony or was it the closing ceremony? I think it was the Sydney Oympics... You're thinking of the closing ceremony of the 2006 Winter olympics in Turin, Italy. I don't know where a link to the video is though.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
