pilotdave 0 #26 March 25, 2008 In some of the videos of the pink skyvan, you can see that one of the props is feathered and windmilling slowly (as a jumper climbs out onto the wing). The other prop is clearly at a different (lower) pitch, indicating that one engine is shut down and the other is running. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #27 March 25, 2008 QuoteWere it shutter stutter (effects) then you'd see both propellers appearing to be in perfect sync, Only if the props are rotating at the exact same RPM.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #28 March 26, 2008 There was some amazing stupidity in both of those videos."If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #29 March 26, 2008 QuoteThere was some amazing stupidity in both of those videos.no more stupid than many many other jumpsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackout 0 #30 March 26, 2008 hmm i found my new jump goal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auburnguy 0 #31 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteThere was some amazing stupidity in both of those videos.no more stupid than many many other jumps that makes it ok?"If you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day, and do it really half assed. That's the American way." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #32 March 26, 2008 no, that doesn't make it ok - but you've always got the choice: you like it - you jump there. You don't like it - go some place else. Usually i jump somewhere elseThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #33 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteThere was some amazing stupidity in both of those videos.no more stupid than many many other jumps that makes it ok? sports do not evolve because people play it safe.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyblu3 0 #34 March 26, 2008 sliding off the side into a prop is one possibility however there are many more things that could go wrong here. A tail strike for example can easily happen. In the video you see a guy sliding right off the back of the plane. He could easily have damaged the flaps which I believe are right there. Having one guy do it for a stunt or publicity is one thing (i've seen some very nice pics of Felix Baumgartner sitting on the roof of the Pink Skyvan) but having the whole load up there is STUPID. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #35 March 26, 2008 Quote Having one guy do it for a stunt or publicity is one thing (i've seen some very nice pics of Felix Baumgartner sitting on the roof of the Pink Skyvan) but having the whole load up there is STUPID. Says you, I have seen footage of guys hanging off of props, running along fusalages, slding down the nose. and a lot of this stuff was done by the OLD GuardYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #36 March 26, 2008 Quote but having the whole load up there is STUPID. Says you, I have seen footage of guys hanging off of props, running along fusalages, slding down the nose. and a lot of this stuff was done by the OLD Guarddoes that make it less stupid ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #37 March 26, 2008 Quote Quote but having the whole load up there is STUPID. Says you, I have seen footage of guys hanging off of props, running along fusalages, slding down the nose. and a lot of this stuff was done by the OLD Guard does that make it less stupid ? it makes it an opinion nothing more (BTW, it was NOT the whole load) if the pilot is cool with it, and jumpers are briefed accordingly, WTF is anyone else to say what's stupid or not. Risking ones life by exiting a plane and hoping some nylon will save your life is seem by many to be stupid. I disagree with them too.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #38 March 26, 2008 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Were it shutter stutter (effects) then you'd see both propellers appearing to be in perfect sync, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only if the props are rotating at the exact same RPM. ----------------------------------------------------------- Even they were rotating at different speeds would you not still see the shutter stutter, but the props would be in different positions relative to each other when the frame hits giving you the illusion (which turns out to be true) that they are turning at different speed? Still an illusion, but producing a true interpretation. I'm not sure I made any sense with my runon sentence/question at all. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flipper 0 #39 March 26, 2008 ....but having the whole load up there is STUPID. Looks like a whole load of fun to me ... but hey maybe I'm just stupid .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #40 March 26, 2008 QuoteEven they were rotating at different speeds would you not still see the shutter stutter, but the props would be in different positions relative to each other when the frame hits giving you the illusion (which turns out to be true) that they are turning at different speed? Still an illusion, but producing a true interpretation. Yes.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #41 March 26, 2008 Quotesliding off the side into a prop is one possibility however there are many more things that could go wrong here. Given the distances involved and the relative wind direction that strikes me as being something that would actually be quite difficult to do. QuoteIn the video you see a guy sliding right off the back of the plane. He could easily have damaged the flaps which I believe are right there. ?? - Flaps are on the back of wings, not tails.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #42 March 26, 2008 QuoteQuotesliding off the side into a prop is one possibility however there are many more things that could go wrong here. Given the distances involved and the relative wind direction that strikes me as being something that would actually be quite difficult to do. QuoteIn the video you see a guy sliding right off the back of the plane. He could easily have damaged the flaps which I believe are right there. ?? - Flaps are on the back of wings, not tails. All I had to do was take out my blackberry and look at the Skyvan exit picture on its background. It has a big rudder or elevator flap spanning the length of its tail above the door. Hey I may not have the terminology right. This is what he is referring to. edit: pic attached"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #43 March 26, 2008 No. Motion blur and cadence would appear differently at an identical shutterspeed and framerate. The two go hand in hand. Then again, most people aren't able to comprehend the difference between 30p and 60i, either, particularly when shot at high shutterspeeds, which this likely was (appears to be). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #44 March 26, 2008 It's called an elevator.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #45 March 26, 2008 > sports do not evolve because people play it safe. And some sports lose a lot when people _don't_ play it safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #46 March 26, 2008 QuoteMotion blur and cadence would appear differently at an identical shutterspeed and framerate. I thought that was what his post was getting at?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #47 March 26, 2008 Quote> sports do not evolve because people play it safe. And some sports lose a lot when people _don't_ play it safe. I'd rather lose than stagnateYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #48 March 27, 2008 Quote Risking ones life by exiting a plane and hoping some nylon will save your life is seem by many to be stupid. I disagree with them too. imagine you are driving a plane. All the passengers get out of it midflight. To me the one that risks to stay inside and try to land the metal box with a 100lb/sq ft wingloading is the stupid one scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #49 March 27, 2008 > I'd rather lose than stagnate That's fine. Just do it away from where us boring, stagnant people skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #50 March 27, 2008 Quote> I'd rather lose than stagnate That's fine. Just do it away from where us boring, stagnant people skydive. But I need people like you to document and take videoYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
