scroadload 1 #1 March 27, 2008 Blue Skies JohnD-2626, SCR1999, SCS641, NSCR2350, GW6909 Blue Skies!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 March 27, 2008 Check with Airtwardo... he should know."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 March 28, 2008 You might also consider contacting Jim Wallace as he flys a similar sized flag. http://www.jimwallace-skydiving.com/ 1000 foot flag is pretty freekin' huge. I hope you know what you're getting into.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 March 28, 2008 Quite possibly the one of the jumps I was most nervous about was a 2300 sq ft flag jump. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #6 March 28, 2008 Flight Concepts International makes Flags from 500' to 7800' for us on Fastrax. Red is using the same material you would find in the Manta, good ole f-111 type nylon. Please be careful with flags, I have hundreds of flag jumps and they are always way more exciting to me than the crowd, if you know what I mean. We also had a fairly bad injury last year with a flag getting caught on something prior to landing. Biggest thing is no when to say "NO" and practice!An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 1 #7 March 28, 2008 just curious: do you have any cutaway-mod and large flags in case of entanglement? If so, where it the cutaway handle/pud placed to allow a fast cutaway if you get entangled?"Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 March 28, 2008 All the Fastrax flags have cutaways and most of their larger ones even have secondary recovery devices since they are carrying a good chunk of weight on them too that you wouldn't want to fall onto the ground with out being slowed down.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 1 #9 March 28, 2008 Cool. Thanks! "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #10 March 28, 2008 QuoteAll the Fastrax flags have cutaways and most of their larger ones even have secondary recovery devices since they are carrying a good chunk of weight on them too that you wouldn't want to fall onto the ground with out being slowed down. Yeah, there have been insurance payouts on claims because a cutaway flag and shot bag slammed onto a pick up truck's hood, totalling the thing. Yikes..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #11 March 29, 2008 What Phree said. On another note, the Large Flag industry is getting bigger. Some of us have been jumping and learning as we go for years now, that means the new jumpers can learn from the old jumpers and not make the same mistakes. At least I would hope that. I train still, and get classes on the new systems and sizes, including going to the sew shop and and learning more than: "it hangs, I fly".An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scroadload 1 #12 March 29, 2008 Thanks for all the replys but I still don't know what type of material I should use! Does any one know?????? Thanks JohnD-2626, SCR1999, SCS641, NSCR2350, GW6909 Blue Skies!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
point_code 0 #13 March 29, 2008 QuoteFlight Concepts International makes Flags from 500' to 7800' for us on Fastrax. Red is using the same material you would find in the Manta, good ole f-111 type nylon. WOW!, 7800' ?? I bet that looks awesome. Do you have any pics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #14 March 30, 2008 F111 works great. 1.1 oz is pretty heavy material and your flag is going to be big, bulky and heavy if you use it. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #15 March 30, 2008 F111 is an old brand name for 0-3 cfm 1.1 ounce ripstop nylon. You won't find it for sale. ExactaChute is a current brand name. Generic standard is MIL-C-44378 Type IV (now PIA spec). You won't find it at your local fabric shop. See www.paragear.com for one source. $9.00 per yard.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #16 March 30, 2008 Quote F111 is an old brand name for 0-3 cfm 1.1 ounce ripstop nylon. You won't find it for sale. ExactaChute is a current brand name. Generic standard is MIL-C-44378 Type IV (now PIA spec). You won't find it at your local fabric shop. See www.paragear.com for one source. $9.00 per yard. Goddamn... At that price a 7800 square yard flag would cost $23,400 in material alone if my calculations are correct. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #17 March 30, 2008 Billy the flag is 7800 Sq FT, not Sq Yards. My math has it at $7800 in material and an unknown about in labor. Its roughly 65*120 Feet in size. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #18 March 30, 2008 http://www.teamfastrax.org/demoPhotoGalley.aspx Here you go. The caption says 7000' but it measures out bigger.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #19 March 30, 2008 Your both wrong. 27 sq ft in a sq yard. But it's $9 dollars a linear yard. 64" wide. So 64" x 36" = 2304 sq in. 2304/144 (sq inches in a square ft) = 16 sq ft for $9 7800 sq ft / 16 sq ft per linear yd of material = 487.5 linear yds 487.5 linear yds x $9 per linear =$4387.5 But with quantity discount I think it's $3510 plus shipping.Plus something big enough to hold it and all of the associated quick release and harness. Plus labor plus profit. This does not allow for seam allowances or waste. 7800 sq ft is just about the biggest you can make with 64" wide material and not have a seam in each stripe. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #20 March 30, 2008 Yep, and it is heavy.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #21 March 30, 2008 7800 sq ft / 27 sq ft per sq. yard = 288.88 sq. yards 288.88 sq yard x 1.1 ounce per square yard = 317.8 317.8 oz / 16 oz/lb = 19.9 pounds This is just the fabric without seams. plus thread, reenforcing, suspension webbing, and don't forget the stars.Plus suspension weight!! I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AllisonH 0 #22 March 30, 2008 You lost me there - how are there 27 square feet in a square yard? Aren't there 9? And 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #23 March 31, 2008 I knew I forgot something. 64" wide bolts of fabric for linear measurements. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #24 March 31, 2008 I'm an idiot. Ignore me. But the fabric is still 64" wide. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #25 March 31, 2008 Okay, lets try again. 36" x 64" wide fabric = 2304 sq. in. per linear yard of fabric 2304/144 sq. in. in a sq. ft. = 16 sq. ft. per linear yard of fabric 7800 sq. ft / 16 sq. ft. per linear yard = 487.5 linear yards 487.5 linear yards x $9 per yard = $4387.5 Back to $3510 with 20% discount. Hmmm, I think I had the right answer before. I give up. Once again, I think the 7800 sq. ft is the largest that can be made with 64" fabric without putting a seam down each stripe. Don't tell my boss I can't do math! I'm a research chemist. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
PhreeZone 20 #14 March 30, 2008 F111 works great. 1.1 oz is pretty heavy material and your flag is going to be big, bulky and heavy if you use it. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #15 March 30, 2008 F111 is an old brand name for 0-3 cfm 1.1 ounce ripstop nylon. You won't find it for sale. ExactaChute is a current brand name. Generic standard is MIL-C-44378 Type IV (now PIA spec). You won't find it at your local fabric shop. See www.paragear.com for one source. $9.00 per yard.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #16 March 30, 2008 Quote F111 is an old brand name for 0-3 cfm 1.1 ounce ripstop nylon. You won't find it for sale. ExactaChute is a current brand name. Generic standard is MIL-C-44378 Type IV (now PIA spec). You won't find it at your local fabric shop. See www.paragear.com for one source. $9.00 per yard. Goddamn... At that price a 7800 square yard flag would cost $23,400 in material alone if my calculations are correct. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 March 30, 2008 Billy the flag is 7800 Sq FT, not Sq Yards. My math has it at $7800 in material and an unknown about in labor. Its roughly 65*120 Feet in size. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #18 March 30, 2008 http://www.teamfastrax.org/demoPhotoGalley.aspx Here you go. The caption says 7000' but it measures out bigger.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #19 March 30, 2008 Your both wrong. 27 sq ft in a sq yard. But it's $9 dollars a linear yard. 64" wide. So 64" x 36" = 2304 sq in. 2304/144 (sq inches in a square ft) = 16 sq ft for $9 7800 sq ft / 16 sq ft per linear yd of material = 487.5 linear yds 487.5 linear yds x $9 per linear =$4387.5 But with quantity discount I think it's $3510 plus shipping.Plus something big enough to hold it and all of the associated quick release and harness. Plus labor plus profit. This does not allow for seam allowances or waste. 7800 sq ft is just about the biggest you can make with 64" wide material and not have a seam in each stripe. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #20 March 30, 2008 Yep, and it is heavy.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #21 March 30, 2008 7800 sq ft / 27 sq ft per sq. yard = 288.88 sq. yards 288.88 sq yard x 1.1 ounce per square yard = 317.8 317.8 oz / 16 oz/lb = 19.9 pounds This is just the fabric without seams. plus thread, reenforcing, suspension webbing, and don't forget the stars.Plus suspension weight!! I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllisonH 0 #22 March 30, 2008 You lost me there - how are there 27 square feet in a square yard? Aren't there 9? And 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 March 31, 2008 I knew I forgot something. 64" wide bolts of fabric for linear measurements. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #24 March 31, 2008 I'm an idiot. Ignore me. But the fabric is still 64" wide. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #25 March 31, 2008 Okay, lets try again. 36" x 64" wide fabric = 2304 sq. in. per linear yard of fabric 2304/144 sq. in. in a sq. ft. = 16 sq. ft. per linear yard of fabric 7800 sq. ft / 16 sq. ft. per linear yard = 487.5 linear yards 487.5 linear yards x $9 per yard = $4387.5 Back to $3510 with 20% discount. Hmmm, I think I had the right answer before. I give up. Once again, I think the 7800 sq. ft is the largest that can be made with 64" fabric without putting a seam down each stripe. Don't tell my boss I can't do math! I'm a research chemist. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
