ZigZagMarquis 9 #1 June 9, 2008 Et all... not singling out Genn, but I spun this off a thread in the Incidents forum about the man who jumped from a plane without a chute. Per the request of one of the Mods, we can use this as a place to discuss the virtues and protocols of filling out waivers correctly... whether its "funny" or "in poor taste" to put things like "call 911" in the emergency contact info area... funny if an up jumper does it... not so funny and maybe a cause for concern if a whuffo showing up for FJC or an observer ride does it... what the DZO / DZM / Manifest person should or shouldn't do... etc. Quote So, if you have no living family members, then what? People lose their sense of humor on this site and act like they never do anything outside the book. Did you miss the part where I said, "...a bunch of us have joked about blinking "she's got a gun" in morse code while reading the statement aloud and signing the waiver at DZs the video you." Anyway, yes, up jumpers can be very "black deathy" about such things (myself included ) and yes if you have no living relatives, then, as an up jumper, if you want to put down "call 911", fine, but why not also put down a friend's number? As for some whuffo showing up to do FJC or an observer ride, maybe it would be better for the DZO / DZM to look at such things with a little more of a critical eye, is all I was suggesting. Cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #2 June 9, 2008 I may not read the waiver, but I do take the emergency contact part seriously, because I assume that it might have to be used some day. As someone who has had emergency contact info used in another context (I was in an accident that occurred just outside of my workplace) I can understand Genn's instinct not to want her loved ones called by a stranger. I had that same instinct - as I was being loaded into the ambulance, my office-mate said "do you want me to call your parents?" and I said no, thinking I could put it off till I could call them myself and assure them that "your kid just got hit by a car in the crosswalk" wasn't as bad as it sounded. Of course, the train had left the station, and my boss was pulling my forms from HR and doing what she felt she needed to do and contacting them (debatable, since the accident didn't occur on company property, but it did occur during the work day, so I don't think her decision was an inappropriate one), and the hospital called not long after I was admitted, but I wanted to control the message (and I was awake and able to try to control the message ... not unconscious or dead). But, the right thing to do is have the right people listed, whoever they may be, but I don't think they should be people on the dropzone with you. My family needs to be notified quickly if something happens to me and I'm unable to notify them myself. And I'm not going to count on someone being around who has the presence of mind to track down my family's contact info. I don't have children, but I do have dependents of a sort, two cats who need someone to call the neighbors to come in and look after them if I'm unconscious in the hospital, and my family knows how to get in touch with them, too."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 43 #3 June 9, 2008 QuoteI may not read the waiver, but I do take the emergency contact part seriously, because I assume that it might have to be used some day. I agree with this statement. I sign waivers without reading them but make sure the emergency contact is correct. I ask people before I use them as an emergency contact if they are prepared to get the call and make sure they know who to call next."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #4 June 9, 2008 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, if you have no living family members, then what? People lose their sense of humor on this site and act like they never do anything outside the book. Get real people. Also, Gen. Swartzhenager probably hasn't been notified yet, but 911 has. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you miss the part where I said, "...a bunch of us have joked about blinking "she's got a gun" in morse code while reading the statement aloud and signing the waiver at DZs the video you." I did, at first. Tried to edit and got denied...sorry! Quote Anyway, yes, up jumpers can be very "black deathy" about such things (myself included ) and yes if you have no living relatives, then, as an up jumper, if you want to put down "call 911", fine, but why not also put down a friend's number? As for some whuffo showing up to do FJC or an observer ride, maybe it would be better for the DZO / DZM to look at such things with a little more of a critical eye, is all I was suggesting. Cheers. My point really isn't that complicated- excluding whuffos. I think we are on the same page there. A friend can check my car, look at my cell phone and see 'Dad'- shit, they can even get my attorney's number too. . Some of them have his number in their phones as well. Anyway, there are so many people who act like this is such a shock. When, in reality and on the DZ, it is not. But on DZ.com, god forbid anybody does something that isnt by the book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 June 9, 2008 If it happens as it does around here the police impound the car and all personal effects when an incident occurs so that they can later search them for things like notes or illegal materials such as drugs. Locally here they took gear bags, car keys and the cell phone too at a fatality and a serious injury. Hope you have better sherrifs then we do if you want to get your stuff back.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #6 June 9, 2008 More so than that... I'm worried that there are at least 2 jumpers up-thread that say they have their lawyer on speed-dial! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #7 June 9, 2008 I never said speed dial. It's my damn phone book.Phree mentioned DNRs, power of attorney, etc. in the other thread. Well, you aren't going to get that info from my waiver. but, if you want it that bad....call the attorney. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #8 June 10, 2008 QuoteBut, the right thing to do is have the right people listed, whoever they may be, but I don't think they should be people on the dropzone with you. I'm glad you have a plan. But, the 'right thing to do' and people listed for you is different than mine. What is right for you isn't right for everyone. Doesn't make them wrong. Any person that I would think of listing are on the DZ with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stuntbabex 0 #9 June 10, 2008 I put down my brother since he is a loved one AND my lawyer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skydog0223 0 #10 June 10, 2008 Talk about skydivers being black deathy, try this for "Black Humour" In case of emergency I would just list a good undertaker!! If I didn't have anybody!! and also pay upfront as well!!"Know your own limits" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #11 June 10, 2008 QuoteIn case of emergency I would just list a good undertaker!! My Neptune Society card is in my wallet, and they know where to send the ashes. BSBD"Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #12 June 10, 2008 Quote Quote In case of emergency I would just list a good undertaker!! My Neptune Society card is in my wallet, and they know where to send the ashes. BSBD The Neptune Society The Neptune Society plan includes: 24-hour availability of our staff Removal from place of death Transportation to a refrigerated holding facility Procurement of one certified copy of the death certificate and cremation permit Professional and administrative services as required Cremation Container Cremation* Urn The return of the cremated remains to the family or scattering at sea Travel protection to cover you when you travel away from your home* I wonder if I would get shit for putting down The Neptune Society in the contacts area. That's awesome. I love it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #13 June 10, 2008 Quote Quote I may not read the waiver, but I do take the emergency contact part seriously, because I assume that it might have to be used some day. I agree with this statement. I sign waivers without reading them but make sure the emergency contact is correct. I ask people before I use them as an emergency contact if they are prepared to get the call and make sure they know who to call next. And at the two dz's I call 'home'...I ask to look at and update my info sheet on safety day. I think once ya grow outta the 'James Dean' mentality, ya look around and realize you have 'people'. How can someone possibly justify, the stress & pain any delay of proper notification would cause......get real, if something serious should happen to ya, dead or alive you WILL want someone with your best interest at heart...looking after yer carcass. It's a dropzone for God sake, everyone knows they eat their dead and screw their wounded! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
