pilotdave 0 #1 October 31, 2008 The TSA is proposing new security rules for aircraft over 12,500 lb... such as CASAs. http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-10-30_tsa.asp Quote - The owner/operator must assign a security director to oversee flight operations. - The security director must obtain TSA approval for the security program associated with every operation of the aircraft. - The security program must be audited and approved by the TSA. - The owner/operator must submit fingerprints of all flight-crew members to the TSA. - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. That last one wouldn't work too well for us if it's gotta be done in advance. The comment period ends Dec 29... EAA is trying to get it extended to March 31. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaryRay 0 #2 October 31, 2008 USPA could always lobby for a exempt statement for parachuting operations, i dont think it will be an issue if its taken care of in the beginning.JewBag. www.jewbag.wordpress.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #3 October 31, 2008 Looks like its back to 182's........... smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 October 31, 2008 TSA=Gestapo. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbrasher 1 #5 October 31, 2008 - The owner/operator must submit a passenger manifest for each flight to the TSA. How is TSA going to handle this deluge of information? and what could they possibly to with it? The only use it could be would be after the fact. Red, White and Blue Skies, John T. Brasher D-5166 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #6 October 31, 2008 Well, the vast majority of jump planes wouldn't be affected... including twin otters. But if this goes through, what stops them from lowering the weight cutoff to 8000 lbs next time around? How long till every aircraft passenger needs to be approved by the TSA? I can understand security concerns when it comes to large aircraft. But I'd hope that the TSA would make an exception for skydiving when it comes to worrying about who the passengers are. Hijacking a skydiving plane wouldn't be too successful. Besides, I'd think the main concern would be a terrorist stealing a big plane, not hijacking it. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strop45 0 #7 October 31, 2008 Even with a 747, the only way the manifest can be accurate is if it is submitted after the doors close. Up until boarding stops, some people will always change their minds and others may buy last minute tickets. If its in advance, it will not be 100%. I guess that any manifest submitted for a skydiving operation would just be considerably less accurate.....The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -- Albert Einstein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,121 #8 November 1, 2008 It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotBond 0 #9 November 1, 2008 QuoteWell, the vast majority of jump planes wouldn't be affected... including twin otters. But if this goes through, what stops them from lowering the weight cutoff to 8000 lbs next time around? How long till every aircraft passenger needs to be approved by the TSA? I can understand security concerns when it comes to large aircraft. But I'd hope that the TSA would make an exception for skydiving when it comes to worrying about who the passengers are. Hijacking a skydiving plane wouldn't be too successful. Besides, I'd think the main concern would be a terrorist stealing a big plane, not hijacking it. Dave They're probably picturing a group of explosives-laden suicide skydivers being dropped over a metro area. I don't really see what good the manifest would be if they blow themselves to smithereens......Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyways... - John Wayne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vpjr 18 #10 November 3, 2008 Fax the manifest written in pencil to the TSA with 31 names like Lurch, Taco, Beenie, Jr. They will quit calling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPainter 0 #11 November 3, 2008 Hey, Van .... does that mean YOU as the Pilot would have to fax a manifest before you could take off? That would certainly slow-down turnaround times! This would never work. The rule is D.O.A. Blue Skies .... and Safe Landings Always ....Live deliberately; Dare greatly; Land gently SkyPainter SOS 1304, POPS 10695, DS 118 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
