peregrinerose 0 #26 December 7, 2008 Quote Sorry to rain on the Parade, but... "A" licence, 97 jumps?? Is your profile up to date? If so, please be carefull with the camera. Based on the fact that the second dive shows you clearely going high on a three way, and not able to close the gap, it would appear your skills are still in need of development. Please take this in the spirit intended. I don't have any insite about the circumstanses around you shooting video. But, based on the information I have from this post, you may be in over your head. Please check the SIM (link below) and ask around your DZ for good advice. http://www.uspa.org/SIM/Read/Section6/tabid/169/Default.aspx#983 Unfortunately, not all DZs have a culture that adheres to that. I jumped at a boogie at another DZ with a guy from a third DZ, brand new A license and camera helmet. I questioned it, since I was working with low time jumpers at the boogie, including him, and he said he had the endorsement of his instructor (who was there and verified it). He had about 35 jumps at the time Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #27 December 7, 2008 The camera was upside down but I flipped it over which is why everything is backwards.. Yes the landing was from the first jump and put at the end. The cam was looking more down than ahead in both jumps. I asked several people including instructors if they saw a problem with what I was doing and I was pretty much told they did not see it as a problem.. Also what you don't see is that I started recording at 6,000 ft so I would not have to mess with it come time for gear checks. On another note, the 2 people in the 2 way are low time jumpers and I had no intention of being part of their 2 way, I just (Tried) to capture the exit and then keep an eye on them. Never had any intention of docking with them. I was planning to let go on the "set" of ready set go but the count was somewhat erratic. I kept my altitude awareness and broke off at the assigned altitude and did nothing I would not of done myself.. This is in my own defense as I have not read all the replies yet but I anticipate some will get ugly.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #28 December 7, 2008 The jump plan was supposed to be that they both track off in a western direction while I went east (on a south jump run. You guys are right.. I did fuck up a few times though. Someone said I never looked for traffic.. maybe I need to upload the entire canopy ride and you will see that I actually fly with my head on a swivel... being the last person down in the landing I saw no reason to check for traffic as there was none.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #29 December 7, 2008 QuoteOn another note, the 2 people in the 2 way are low time jumpers and I had no intention of being part of their 2 way, I just (Tried) to capture the exit and then keep an eye on them. Never had any intention of docking with them. I was planning to let go on the "set" of ready set go but the count was somewhat erratic. I kept my altitude awareness and broke off at the assigned altitude and did nothing I would not of done myself.. This is in my own defense as I have not read all the replies yet but I anticipate some will get ugly. If this is so, may I recommend that you capture the exit from inside the plane? Given you're with them throughout the first few seconds of their jump as they attempt to dock suggests you're filming their two way, and then you fly towards where we last see them, suggesting you're chasing. Sorry if I got that wrong. Would you agree that the idea of having three low-time jumpers in the air all going different, indeterminate directions creates a bit of chaos? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #30 December 7, 2008 Did you think uploading a crappy video of your "skydive" with your profile stating you have less than 100 jumps, would go over well with the DZ community? Seriously? You have been around here long enough to know thats a bad idea.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #31 December 7, 2008 > On another note, the 2 people in the 2 way are low time jumpers and >I had no intention of being part of their 2 way, I just (Tried) to capture >the exit and then keep an eye on them. Yikes, this is a VERY bad idea. Other jumpers in the aircraft will give you separation based on their assumption that you are one group. It is actually much safer to stick with your group tightly than go in a different direction in freefall. Also, in my experience, "keeping an eye" on one group means you're not looking around much for _other_ groups - and in a dive like this that could be a problem. I would recommend the following minimum skills before you start doing belly RW video: -ability to turn 4-5 points in a 4 way with people of your experience level -ability to dock late on a 20-way -ability to reliably launch exits All these are important if you want to safely fly with other belly flyers who will not be looking out for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #32 December 7, 2008 I did not expect it to be received well one way or the other. I did something I've wanted to do since jump one. I did not post it expecting a pat on the back and people to blow smoke up my ass telling me I did a good job if I did not. Nor did I expect some of the rather nasty pm's I got from people. The point is that I fucked up and this was a good learning lesson in what "not" to do. Everyone is looking out for the safety of others and that of my own which I greatly appreciate. Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #33 December 8, 2008 Quote The point is that I fucked up and this was a good learning lesson in what "not" to do. Everyone is looking out for the safety of others and that of my own which I greatly appreciate. WTF? You haven't gotten the script down. This is when you're supposed to tell everyone that they're idiots and you know better than them and you'll do whatever you want! Just kidding. Nice job learning from this site. I hope! When you're ready to shoot video, get a decent camera and do it for real. This isn't something you can really go half-assed at. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #34 December 8, 2008 Quote Just kidding. Nice job learning from this site. I hope! When you're ready to shoot video, get a decent camera and do it for real. This isn't something you can really go half-assed at. Dave Nicely said! I agree with Pilotdave... When your ready, go for it. Get some qualified training, good equipment, develope some skills, and shoot some video. One last piece of advice... I hope your not in this for the money???Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #35 December 8, 2008 QuoteThe jump plan was supposed to be that they both track off in a western direction while I went east (on a south jump run). Awesome.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #36 December 8, 2008 I couldn't care less about the money... Tony, Paul, Billy, Bob.. they all do great work and I don't want to impact or take away from their business. Besides.. we have seen the quality of my "work", so I highly doubt they have much to be afraid of anyways. I have gotten quite a few videos and wanted to see what it was like on the other side. I want to learn and become better. I'm sure the jump would of been better had I gone with some experienced people and after reading a lot of the comments.. going with 2 low time jumpers was mistake on my behalf whether I had a camera or not. For the record.. I did ask around before I jumped and did not try to hide what I was doing... Some people actually agreed that I was starting off right by going with something small that would easily come off if I had a malfunction related to the camera. In some ways I took steps in the right direction, but in most ways it seems I took a huge leap backward.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #37 December 8, 2008 97 jumps and a 75 to 100 dollar video camera... "mounted" with velcro?? and gaffers tape.... that's a good one.. so then, when ya' have 350 or 400 jumps??? will you THEN buy a video camera for 350 or 400 Dollars?????please be careful... keep your passion,, just temper it with some good safety practices... 3 minutes of video... with about 10 seconds ,,,, of "keeper footage"....... My questions would be for your 'instructor'.... who said you are ready.......i'd say the song,,,,'highway to hell'. was quite appropriate... i truly hope that you simply have NOT updated your profile #'s,,,,,, in a while...skydive safely jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #38 December 8, 2008 Quote The jump plan was supposed to be that they both track off in a western direction while I went east (on a south jump run. You guys are right.. I did fuck up a few times though. Someone said I never looked for traffic.. maybe I need to upload the entire canopy ride and you will see that I actually fly with my head on a swivel... being the last person down in the landing I saw no reason to check for traffic as there was none. You ALWAYS need to have your head on a swivel. No exceptions. Someone may have had a premature deployment and thus be in the sky at the same time as you even though they left the plane long before you. You share the sky with more than just other canopies, there are planes up there too (do a search for the Gus Wing incident a few years ago). Ultralights and gliders have been known to fly into skydiver airspace on landing. Complacency will eventually bite you in the ass, and your comment is blatant complacency. Take air traffic a lot more seriously. I hope you learned a lot from this thread, and hope you'll put camera work on hold for another 100+ jumps. Be patient, grasshopper... it's not a rip on you, you just need a little more seasoning and experience Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #39 December 8, 2008 QuoteIf you haven't zoomed past a deploying canopy in freefall yet...it's not a good thing. Stop the video at 2:49 and see how close he is open to the other person (black canopy) he lost awareness of on that 3 way.......www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #40 December 8, 2008 Quote QuoteIf you haven't zoomed past a deploying canopy in freefall yet...it's not a good thing. Stop the video at 2:49 and see how close he is open to the other person (black canopy) he lost awareness of on that 3 way....... I noticed it immediately. He and I have exchanged several PM's on the subject. I believe he's learned a lot from this discussion, he shows a great attitude both here and in PM's. Everybody screws up...and they can grow from it. Question is whether they will learn, and whether they'll be given a second chance. Me? I'm all for trusting that people can grow and helping them do so rather than trying to stand in the way of achieving their goals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #41 December 8, 2008 Quote I noticed it immediately. He and I have exchanged several PM's on the subject. I believe he's learned a lot from this discussion, he shows a great attitude both here and in PM's. Everybody screws up...and they can grow from it. Question is whether they will learn, and whether they'll be given a second chance. Me? I'm all for trusting that people can grow and helping them do so rather than trying to stand in the way of achieving their goals. Agreed. Though jumping a camera is not the only goal he needs/wants to achieve, one should learn to be able to fly relative to everyone they jump with, of which should be learned on coach jumps before they get the the A license and are allowed to do 3 ways. People die when loose awareness of the poeple they exited the plane with........www.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I3uller 0 #42 December 8, 2008 I' assuming when you guys refer to the "kill zone" that you are talking about the edge of the burble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #43 December 8, 2008 Nobody said it was "OK" for me to do it, but nobody discouraged me either.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #44 December 8, 2008 Quote Agreed. Though jumping a camera is not the only goal he needs/wants to achieve, one should learn to be able to fly relative to everyone they jump with, of which should be learned on coach jumps before they get the the A license and are allowed to do 3 ways. People die when loose awareness of the poeple they exited the plane with........ re-read the thread. It wasn't a three-way, making it even more of a potential situation than anyone actually thought. He knows he screwed up, he's taken responsibility for it here. He's welcome on my load any time. In fact, he'll be jumping with us in Sebastian next week. I3uller, the "kill zone" or "no-fly zone" is a cone that extends both above and below a skydiver or formation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I3uller 0 #45 December 8, 2008 Hahaha I can't help but notice the hybrid man hanging directly in the no fly zone. I'm again assuming that these areas are no fly zones because of burbles and people coming down fast on top of each other? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #46 December 8, 2008 Because a premi in a kill zone could kill someone. I agree, i would have found a better picture for my example BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I3uller 0 #47 December 8, 2008 Quote Because a premi in a kill zone could kill someone. I agree, i would have found a better picture for my example Ah got it. I knew I was missing some other catastrophe that could happen. I've seen videos of people getting into the burble and just rocketing down from like 50 feet up into people doing RW and it looks nasty...I'm sure a premi could also make for some interesting problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #48 December 8, 2008 Quote Nobody said it was "OK" for me to do it, but nobody discouraged me either. Funny thing about being an adult, some times you are expected to make decisions on your own without others telling you it's not or is OKYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #49 December 8, 2008 That photo was chosen a while back to illustrate the point, and while I could type a lengthy response, see Squeak's comment above, apply it to whatever you think I might type, and you'll probably be very close. T3uller isn't the first to think it's only burble related. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyjunkySean 0 #50 December 8, 2008 I find it odd that nobody "discouraged" you. I had planned on making my first camera jump from my first balloon jump, at around jump 165. Several people, all highly experienced camera flyers, said it was probably NOT the best idea. My dzo said my flying skills were good enough, but referred to the SIM, and a pro rating holder simply asked me why I felt the need to film this jump. My answerwas not adequate for him. He calmly toldme it wasnot a good idea n to be patient. Ileft my cam helmet in my gear bag got in the balloon had one of my top 10 skdives. sure was glad I listened Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
