Tuna-Salad 0 #1 December 7, 2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLoOBsIopM This is by no means perfect and the quality is not outstanding, but everybody had to start somewhere. The first jump I made alone and the cam was mounted upside down, which is why the alti appears on my right hand. All in all I'm pretty happy with myself on this one and was shocked at the video quality, considering how much I paid for the cam.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaryRay 0 #2 December 7, 2008 LOL thats awesome, how did you end up mounting it upside down?JewBag. www.jewbag.wordpress.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #3 December 7, 2008 Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLoOBsIopM The first jump I made alone and the cam was mounted upside down, which is why the alti appears on my right hand. lol i didnt see that before i watched the video. i thought to myself: what kind of freak has the altimeter on the right hand nice video! the quality wasnt that bad, better than most youtube clips Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #4 December 7, 2008 Well uh.. the camera is very small and the way it looks you would ASSUME the position I had it in to be the right way. Cam only cost me $75 (25% off sale) It is pretty much mounted on an a3 oxygn with velcro and gaff tape. http://www.flycamone.com.au/images/flycamone2/flycamone2.jpg That is the camera I used so that is why I was shocked at the quality. For $75-100 I expected it to be a lot less. That said.. thanks for the positive feedback. Now all I gotta do is get the damn thing mounted right so I can see what I intend to film. Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 December 7, 2008 Quote Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLoOBsIopM The first jump I made alone and the cam was mounted upside down, which is why the alti appears on my right hand. lol i didnt see that before i watched the video. i thought to myself: what kind of freak has the altimeter on the right hand FWIW there are quite a few people with their alti on their right hands for varied and numerous reasonsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #6 December 7, 2008 I imagine that would be weird at pull time... I just like that the door appears on the right side of the plane instead of the left.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #7 December 7, 2008 That was great! And I love AC/DC! See you at Z-Hills at the XKeys invasion! Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #8 December 7, 2008 I don't think that mounting the camera upside-down would account for the anomaly. The images of the first jump sequence seem to me to be some sort of mirror image, not inverted. You can tell by the face of the altimeter being switched right for left. The needle is winding down clockwise, not counter-clockwise as it really does. I don't think the camera mounting can account for this. Is there a switch on the camera or the recorder that gives a mirror image? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djmarvin 2 #9 December 7, 2008 QuoteI imagine that would be weird at pull time... /reply] Some people jump left hand deployed pilot chutes. For these people it would be more awkward to have the altimeter on the left hand. DJ Marvin AFF I/E, Coach/E, USPA/UPT Tandem I/E http://www.theratingscenter.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #10 December 7, 2008 If the camera was mounted upside down the video would be upside down. Is the canopy in the second deployment from your group or another group? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CazmoDee 3 #11 December 7, 2008 Um, ...what happened to the 200 min jump thingy, before playing around with a camera? Did Paul know about this? Just sayin'........I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #12 December 7, 2008 If the camera were mounted upside down, not only would the video be upside down but the hands would still be on the correct even after a flip in post processing. Additionally at 1:45, the pin check makes it fairly clear that the camera is in correct angle unless the OP is able to stand on his head while doing a pin check and using his hands. In the first vid, the altimeter is on the right hand, in the second half it's on the left hand, it's obvious, isn't it? And...how would the camera change from "upside down" mount to "correct angle of vision" mount in between jumps? Coupla comments...camera jumps aren't just "regular skydives" as your video shows. -Camera flyer is too high and barely to the side, putting him in perfect range for a deploying canopy. This is called the "no-fly" or "kill zone." -Camera flyer deploys very close an slightly below another canopy which is flying directly towards him. Don't know who is off heading, but it's pretty easy to see. -Either camera flyer is holding head WAY up in freefall, or WAY down in the aircraft, or never looks at the horizon on landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjumpenfool 2 #13 December 7, 2008 Sorry to rain on the Parade, but... "A" licence, 97 jumps?? Is your profile up to date? If so, please be carefull with the camera. Based on the fact that the second dive shows you clearely going high on a three way, and not able to close the gap, it would appear your skills are still in need of development. Please take this in the spirit intended. I don't have any insite about the circumstanses around you shooting video. But, based on the information I have from this post, you may be in over your head. Please check the SIM (link below) and ask around your DZ for good advice. http://www.uspa.org/SIM/Read/Section6/tabid/169/Default.aspx#983 Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CazmoDee 3 #14 December 7, 2008 In the first vid, the alti is on the left hand. The image is reversed (mirror). It looks like he leaves the otter from the right hand side, the face of his alti is backward, and most importantly, Zhills don't look like dat from da air!I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CSpenceFLY 1 #15 December 7, 2008 It's one of those time/space things. He was freefalling from the other side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CazmoDee 3 #16 December 7, 2008 I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #17 December 7, 2008 I understand that. Flipping the image in post still doesn't make an upside down camera right side up. Maybe the OP meant that it was reversed in post, because the image isn't upside down at any point. QuoteThe first jump I made alone and the cam was mounted upside down, which is why the alti appears on my right hand. The 3/2/1 indicator (red/yellow) on the alti is clearly to the outside of the hand, and reversed or upside down, the thumb is on the inside. Something isn't adding up. Nor would upside down account for the canopy too close at deployment, flyer being too far away during the skydive, or looking straight at the ground during landing. I can't imagine TK is aware? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gearless_chris 1 #18 December 7, 2008 or looking straight at the ground during landing. I was pretty much the opposite of him when I started, as far as landings go. My video almost never showed the ground because I didn't have the look with your eyes but video with your head thing down. It took a lot of effort for me to remember to tip my head down while flaring."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #10 December 7, 2008 If the camera was mounted upside down the video would be upside down. Is the canopy in the second deployment from your group or another group? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #11 December 7, 2008 Um, ...what happened to the 200 min jump thingy, before playing around with a camera? Did Paul know about this? Just sayin'........I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #12 December 7, 2008 If the camera were mounted upside down, not only would the video be upside down but the hands would still be on the correct even after a flip in post processing. Additionally at 1:45, the pin check makes it fairly clear that the camera is in correct angle unless the OP is able to stand on his head while doing a pin check and using his hands. In the first vid, the altimeter is on the right hand, in the second half it's on the left hand, it's obvious, isn't it? And...how would the camera change from "upside down" mount to "correct angle of vision" mount in between jumps? Coupla comments...camera jumps aren't just "regular skydives" as your video shows. -Camera flyer is too high and barely to the side, putting him in perfect range for a deploying canopy. This is called the "no-fly" or "kill zone." -Camera flyer deploys very close an slightly below another canopy which is flying directly towards him. Don't know who is off heading, but it's pretty easy to see. -Either camera flyer is holding head WAY up in freefall, or WAY down in the aircraft, or never looks at the horizon on landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #13 December 7, 2008 Sorry to rain on the Parade, but... "A" licence, 97 jumps?? Is your profile up to date? If so, please be carefull with the camera. Based on the fact that the second dive shows you clearely going high on a three way, and not able to close the gap, it would appear your skills are still in need of development. Please take this in the spirit intended. I don't have any insite about the circumstanses around you shooting video. But, based on the information I have from this post, you may be in over your head. Please check the SIM (link below) and ask around your DZ for good advice. http://www.uspa.org/SIM/Read/Section6/tabid/169/Default.aspx#983 Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #14 December 7, 2008 In the first vid, the alti is on the left hand. The image is reversed (mirror). It looks like he leaves the otter from the right hand side, the face of his alti is backward, and most importantly, Zhills don't look like dat from da air!I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #15 December 7, 2008 It's one of those time/space things. He was freefalling from the other side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #16 December 7, 2008 I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #17 December 7, 2008 I understand that. Flipping the image in post still doesn't make an upside down camera right side up. Maybe the OP meant that it was reversed in post, because the image isn't upside down at any point. QuoteThe first jump I made alone and the cam was mounted upside down, which is why the alti appears on my right hand. The 3/2/1 indicator (red/yellow) on the alti is clearly to the outside of the hand, and reversed or upside down, the thumb is on the inside. Something isn't adding up. Nor would upside down account for the canopy too close at deployment, flyer being too far away during the skydive, or looking straight at the ground during landing. I can't imagine TK is aware? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #18 December 7, 2008 or looking straight at the ground during landing. I was pretty much the opposite of him when I started, as far as landings go. My video almost never showed the ground because I didn't have the look with your eyes but video with your head thing down. It took a lot of effort for me to remember to tip my head down while flaring."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #19 December 7, 2008 QuoteAll in all I'm pretty happy with myself on this one and was shocked at the video quality, considering how much I paid for the cam. I was shocked much more by fact that your chain of events (faults) didnt lead to an accident. Some very serious bad habits you have there or lack of knowledge. I dont mean to burn you, but seriously, some of the things in your movie were potentially lethal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rover 11 #20 December 7, 2008 Nice to see that you list freefall photography as a discipline on your profile..... 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #21 December 7, 2008 Maybe work on being able to keep with a 2 way before trying anything else, such as a camera. Just a thought.BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #22 December 7, 2008 Quoteit would appear your skills are still in need of development. it used to be 500 jumps minimum but i guess the equipment is lighter and much cheaper these days. However it is easier to get lots of jumps in fast today. If someone were to ask me I would still say 500 minimum for video or camera... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #23 December 7, 2008 Quote If someone were to ask me I would still say 500 minimum for video or camera... Although I tend agree with RMURRY, it's not completely about jump #'s. It's about skill level and situation awareness. The fact that you have 97 jumps is a huge red flag. This video is a glaring indication of potential hazards. I'm in no way an expert! So, please show this video to someone at your DZ who is. Seek out the most experienced camera flyers you can. Ask good questions, and learn from them. If they tell you not to jump a camera yet, find out why and listen to them. If they feel you're capable, then I would say be carefull. Continue to seek their input and keep asking good questions. Nice video, good edit, great music, all in all, nice job! Stay with the whole video thing, even if you need to wait a few years and a couple hundred jumps. Our community can always use a good camera flyer. Just don't be in a big hurry to be the next video god. In the meantime, learn the other skills that will help you out.Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I3uller 0 #24 December 7, 2008 QuoteQuoteAll in all I'm pretty happy with myself on this one and was shocked at the video quality, considering how much I paid for the cam. I was shocked much more by fact that your chain of events (faults) didnt lead to an accident. Some very serious bad habits you have there or lack of knowledge. I dont mean to burn you, but seriously, some of the things in your movie were potentially lethal. As a novice jumper what could I learn not to do by watching this video? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #25 December 7, 2008 Quote As a novice jumper what could I learn not to do by watching this video? -learn that a camera can serve as a distraction to you and everyone else. Notice in this video that in the first video, the vidiot seems to be intent on shooting what "looks good" as opposed to paying attention to where he's jumping, facing, or tracking. Notice that his body (not his head) swivels a lot through the skydive, and it doesn't appear he's looking for who is where, but rather "what can I shoot?" the 180 on opening doesn't help a lot... -Notice in the video that the vidiot is *never* in the right place with the 2-way. First they're above and forward, then they are WAY below and forward, and he tracks in their direction even though he's way above them. This is a recipe for disaster, and he could easily either fall through a deploying canopy, or deploy and they fall through his. If you exit with a group, STAY with the group. Avoid the "kill zone" at all times. -learn to jump with others as a group before attempting to film them. The closer you are to others reduces the damage in case of an "oops" moment, as a general rule. Smashing into someone from 3' away isn't as painful as smashing into someone from a 20' distance. Stay WITH the group. -I'll stick my neck out further and suggest that the two in the two way were newbs too, and two newbs and a newb with a camera is also not a good idea. -Notice he pulls below another jumper that opens in a direction towards him? They're facing each other from the moment he's fully open. Collision risk. -Notice that he doesn't track off, but rather tracks towards where the 2 way is? It's assumed we lose them in the frame due to the extra wide lens and distance from them, but we'd hope he had them in sight the entire time. -in the landing, the vidiot never once looks for traffic. Ever. That alone is scary. he's also facing the ground the entire time. It's possible that the camera is pointing down a bit, but it's low enough to catch his shoes in the frame on landing, which suggests that he's looking pretty well straight down. Scary enough, but coupled with a lack of awareness of traffic.... Everyone has to start somewhere...and although the rules say "200 jumps" it's more about (IMO) prepping, being able to fly relative, and knowing how to manage yourself in the air with others. In this skydive, that clearly isn't the case. Maybe the OP was just having a bad day.... In any event, if I had to pick just one thing that really concerns me the most (out of the many eye-grabbers), I'd say it was that the cameraflyer flew in the kill zone for a lot of that jump, and when not in it, flew towards it from above. If you haven't zoomed past a deploying canopy in freefall yet...it's not a good thing. to the OP...get with Tony Hathaway or Scotty Burns on your DZ. Both are outstanding camera flyers that I know will take the time to work with you. Tony has an EXCELLENT camera course he teaches, so does Norman Kent. Take it, these guys are worth every $$ every minute, IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
