D22369 0 #101 January 21, 2009 dude, no flames, just gonna point out what I see wrong here. i probably stood half of them.. *** If you cannot stand up 90% of your landings anywhere, then downsizing is a bad idea (one out of ten you may trip, slip or have a wind change on final) knowing how to slide or tumble is always a good thing for those "oh shit moments" personally my biggest beef with this decision is that with the higher wingloading you will be moving faster and have the speed to run others down, as your in this sport longer with more jumps will come a bigger sphere of awareness - being able to see problems before they become life threatening to yourself or others. I have been called a canopy nazi many times- I dislike seeing people breaking themselves, and totally hate when someone injures someone else through overconfidence or negligence. Its your call, if the dz is ok with it then what we write here will probably not affect your decision. good luck. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #102 January 21, 2009 Quote >DO NOT try to hook it by sight! If you can't "hook it by sight" you have no business hooking at all. You lack basic skills required to safely land a parachute via a high performance manuever. I agree, but since it looked like he was going to be unwise anyway, any help seemed welcome, be it in the form of a device. I should have added more nuance to the phrase. I do not want to propagate the dependency on devices, but some of us get into stuff a bit too soon, like hooking it, and in my very humble noob opinion some crashes may not occur had there been a beep at some point. What I meant was for it to be a tool for consistency at setup and initiate. Once you go for it it´s all eyes, you have to be able to see when to exit or maybe dive a little longer even. If you cant do that, you have indeed no business hooking it at all. There will ofcourse always be gods who can see precisely if they´re at 550 ft or 600 ft of maybe 580 ft. I cannot, even after flying gliders without incident for 15 years. And if they are out, I´m sure others will be there that have been skydiving so long that they have forgotten the learning processes of early noobdom. edit: to put even more blah blah in : Some guys will do stuff anyway, regardless of what you advise them. So then, by all means, please at least get a beeper. This is the context in which my remark is to be placed. I sometimes neglect to elaborate and just put the conclusion in there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #103 January 21, 2009 Quote There will ofcourse always be gods who can see precisely if they´re at 550 ft or 600 ft of maybe 580 ft. No, but you can use a technique where the exact altitude or a 3000 foot difference in density altitude just doesn't matter. You can split the pieces up into pieces where you establish roll angle to start accelerating, a turning phase where you adjust turn rate and vertical speed to end up where you want in all three axis. A 50' altitude distance becomes much more apparant as you get closer to the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #104 January 21, 2009 >There will ofcourse always be gods who can see precisely if they´re at > 550 ft or 600 ft of maybe 580 ft. I cannot, even after flying gliders >without incident for 15 years. I can't either, despite jumping for 19 years. Nor can I tell 1000 feet from 1200 feet when I am flying an airplane. But I can land both parachutes and airplanes without too much trouble. Why? Because I can eyeball things and get them close enough. I don't need to be able to see that I am at 800 feet or 700 feet to be able to hit the numbers on the runway - because I get a better sense of my approach angle and touchdown point by looking out the windscreen and using my eyes. That's the primary skill that will save your life whether in an airplane or under a parachute. An audible might well be a good backup - but it is absolutely essential to be able to see the landing picture and know how to adjust for errors in perceived height BEFORE using one, because a jumper might well never learn the skills he needs to save his life if he replaces his eyes with the beeps too soon. (IMO of course.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #105 January 21, 2009 i'm just replying to the last one: gotta love social networks, FB especially, just got a mail from a local jumper that has a safire2 149 laying around! guess i'll go with that one! i'm just a n00b thats a little lost at times, hence i like getting some advice (or pointers, or just things to think about that might not come naturally, since knowledgeable ressources are kinda limited where i jump) from a bigger audience. thanks again everyone! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #106 January 21, 2009 Quotei'm just a n00b thats a little lost at times My advice is to stay off the front risers until you're not just a n00b that gets a little lost at times. Seriously. When did swooping become a newbie sport? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #107 January 21, 2009 QuoteQuotei'm just a n00b thats a little lost at times My advice is to stay off the front risers until you're not just a n00b that gets a little lost at times. Seriously. When did swooping become a newbie sport? Dave i think you completly missed the point..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #108 January 21, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm just a n00b thats a little lost at times My advice is to stay off the front risers until you're not just a n00b that gets a little lost at times. Seriously. When did swooping become a newbie sport? Dave i think you completly missed the point.. No I think you have!!!!Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #109 January 21, 2009 Quote i think you completly missed the point.. I understood the point but still twisted it to add my editorial. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #110 January 21, 2009 Quote Quote i think you completly missed the point.. I understood the point but still twisted it to add my editorial. Dave good, mine is, i'm getting the 149 safire2.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #111 January 22, 2009 ozzy13 is selling a safire 2 149.....he wil hook you up if you hook him up....if you know what i mean ;) lmao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fincher 0 #112 January 22, 2009 the fact that you called your new canopy a bitch in your original post. Inspires me to tell you that you are probably awesome and you should rock out a downsize and a platform change.i'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your packing tent down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fincher 0 #113 January 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuotei'm just a n00b thats a little lost at times My advice is to stay off the front risers until you're not just a n00b that gets a little lost at times. Seriously. When did swooping become a newbie sport? Dave i think you completly missed the point.. in here? someone twisted your post and pissed on your point? that never happens!!!!i'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your packing tent down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fincher 0 #114 January 22, 2009 Quote >I was jumping a Nitro that was tame in line twists, then jumped a >Diablo the same size and even loaded extremely lightly it was a pucker >ride when it twisted up. There was a Diablo making the rounds out here. A 150 I think. It kept going on sale for really cheap. Someone would buy it, chop it after a few weeks, and sell it for really cheap to someone else. All I can do is laugh I might know something about that canopy. Fond memories.i'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your packing tent down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #115 January 22, 2009 Quoteozzy13 is selling a safire 2 149.....he wil hook you up if you hook him up....if you know what i mean ;) lmao i'll get to him if the thing in sissyland wont work out..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #116 January 22, 2009 Quote not that jumping a WS at 70 jumps was very smart, but at the time i didnt knew better and learned from it.. Angelic And people tried to talk you out of that, and you STILL did it. And here are people trying to talk you out of something you don't know better about again, and you're STILL going to do it. So, seriously dude, why post and stir the pot??? Oh, I get it... you're an attention whore. Well, you'll get top billing in the incidents forum down the road sometime, I'm sure. Like I've said in posts before, I don't care what the hell you do at this point because you'll never listen to anybody except if they tell you what you want to hear, but I just know to cover my ass and keep it off of any load you happen to be on if we ever run into eachother at the same DZ. Sorry to seem flamey and pissed, but I am just so sick of "n00b" jumpers doing things that "n00b" jumpers have no business doing (IE, wingsuits, wingloadings at 1.6, etc) that can possibly kill me because of it. That I take offense to. **Edit to add** after PM between VB and I, I'm publicly apologizing for my PA. I think we've gotten our messages across to eachother now.Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerRamjet 0 #117 January 22, 2009 I know you replied to this post, but it was deleted along with my post before I could read it, so feel free to reply again. Here is what I posted before: QuoteInteresting thread. You seem to have arrived at what you intend to do with some (expected I'm sure) flak. I looked at your profile and I have another question for you (not trying to "stir the pot" I assure you). Reserve: PD Reserve 143 ft² (1.40 lbs/ft²) I notice you wear a cypress also. I assume this is in case of altitude awareness lapse or unconscious opening for some reason. Have you considered a disabled (let's say dislocated shoulder) or unconscious landing under a 1.40 loaded reserve? Even at half brakes, I expect the impact would be severe and if you add in a downwind possibility (unconscious and bad luck), well... There have been a couple of unconcious landings in the incidents forum lately where it could not be determined if the fatal injuries were sustained before or during the landing. Food for thought. ----------------------- Roger "Ramjet" Clark FB# 271, SCR 3245, SCS 1519 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #118 January 22, 2009 Quote I know you replied to this post, but it was deleted along with my post before I could read it, so feel free to reply again. Here is what I posted before: Quote Interesting thread. You seem to have arrived at what you intend to do with some (expected I'm sure) flak. I looked at your profile and I have another question for you (not trying to "stir the pot" I assure you). Reserve: PD Reserve 143 ft² (1.40 lbs/ft²) I notice you wear a cypress also. I assume this is in case of altitude awareness lapse or unconscious opening for some reason. Have you considered a disabled (let's say dislocated shoulder) or unconscious landing under a 1.40 loaded reserve? Even at half brakes, I expect the impact would be severe and if you add in a downwind possibility (unconscious and bad luck), well... There have been a couple of unconcious landings in the incidents forum lately where it could not be determined if the fatal injuries were sustained before or during the landing. Food for thought. jeeesus, it really has.. since i've gained about 20lbs, well, wether i land unconcious, and expect being prone to shit, or i might expect to land single handed, or PLF, or flare ssigle-handed.. cyprres's there to save me from a no-out! there's a little risk involved from jumping out of planes. i''m fine with that.. disclaimer, i'm really drunk and out of my mind now. as usual!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #119 January 22, 2009 why wont you start base jumping...and see if you can land within 6 ft of your target with a 260 sq ft canopy betcha 25 bucks ya cant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #120 January 22, 2009 I think its easier to hit a target on my BASE canopy.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #121 January 22, 2009 Quote why wont you start base jumping...and see if you can land within 6 ft of your target with a 260 sq ft canopy betcha 25 bucks ya cant well, with my weight, i think i should start off with a 280 actruallly.. since i can hit 6ft on a 150, i dont tink i have problems hitting what you're asking for.. u turn up with the beer n'the substances, i bring out all the perforrmance, lets check it out, coward! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #122 January 23, 2009 It doesnt count if you dont stand it up 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #123 January 23, 2009 Bull Shit. Half the BASE videos I have ever seen shows someone busting their ass landing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markovwgti 0 #124 January 23, 2009 yeah if you dont stand it up it doesnt count haha...u do a low jump...maybe have an off heading opening...gotta move quick and get those toggles out..maybe too far upwind or downwind to turn...its tricky....i found it much much harder to fly a damn 260 then my 150....they turn like shit lol.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #125 January 23, 2009 I just got done tonight freefalling a 270ft tower with no moon. I love the way my FLiK turns and stood it up after a nice 180 hook. 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
