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This is true, but unless you now saying that having no AAD could reduce someone's panic I don't see how that supports your earlier contention.



I am saying that regardless of what someone says they will or wont' do, when they do when they are actually in the situation may be different from what they said they would do.

I've done a lot of things I said I would never do.

Derek



I agree, me too.

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t's an indisputable fact that an AAD increases your odds of accomplishing item one.



I think you miss the point of what I said. There are two things you need to do. That is you all by yourself, not your nanny.

If you choose to jump with an AAD that is your decision. But you should have learned from the recent incident if you want to play the odds game, go to Vegas.

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t's an indisputable fact that an AAD increases your odds of accomplishing item one.



I think you miss the point of what I said. There are two things you need to do. That is you all by yourself, not your nanny.

If you choose to jump with an AAD that is your decision. But you should have learned from the recent incident if you want to play the odds game, go to Vegas.

Sparky



My decision to jump with an AAD is not a reliance on it. Jumping without an AAD is betting against the house with your life when you don't need to. It makes no sense to suggest the jumper with the AAD is the gambler unless they rely on it, in fact the analogy turns logic on it's head.

"nanny", ho ho very droll.

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My decision to jump with an AAD is not a reliance on it. Jumping without an AAD is betting against the house with your life when you don't need to.



I like that. I remember in "the old days" we all used to say AAD's were a good enough idea, but we didn't use them because they weren't reliable (they weren't either, not back then). But now, if you understand how to use them, and their limits, they are plenty reliable. As a married guy with two teenage kids, I'll tell you it makes my wife and kids feel a lot less worried about me jumping. I know it isn't magic, but they think it is. "Dad's got a magic charm that will save his ass if he spaces out." I turn it on and understnad very well how it works and how it doesn't work too. And then I jump like it's not there, because I am NEVER going that low without pulling every handle I've got. And to tell you the truth, I'm not sure I'd jump without one. I'm older than I used to be and have obligations, as well as a more mature (hopefully) view of "the big picture". And I don't see the point in taking an unecessary risk on my life. If Tom Piras could bounce after more than 10,000 jumps, so can ANY of us. You only have to do it once & he did it the one time he forgot to turn the thing on. Was he dependent ? Nope, but he sure is dead.

Nobody has ever gone out the door thinking, "THIS is the jump I'm going to need my Cypres, sure am glad I bought that thing".

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This is true, but unless you now saying that having no AAD could reduce someone's panic I don't see how that supports your earlier contention.



I am saying that regardless of what someone says they will or wont' do, when they do when they are actually in the situation may be different from what they said they would do.

I've done a lot of things I said I would never do.

Derek



It appears from the fatality reports over the years that a lot of people didn't do things they said they would always do. Like pulling on time. No/low pull was the single biggest killer of skydivers in pre-AAD days.
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