virgin-burner 1 #1 January 30, 2009 i think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. ii think i weigh in at around 180lbs at the moment, but hope and work on loosing another 20lbs, then the chicks at the dz at least would dig me more.. my mentor says, go for a anything inbetween 240-260, but since i ever hardly leave a meal out, and like to have beers laters, i dont think thats a wise choice. what do you guys think about my plans!?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeNReN 0 #2 January 30, 2009 I think this is a bonfire thread....or maybe a thread that should be posted in errors and bugs..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #3 January 30, 2009 no, neither of the ones, maybe general parachuting would fit it better tough..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaryRay 0 #4 January 31, 2009 ask your instructors! =DJewBag. www.jewbag.wordpress.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUBLHED 0 #5 January 31, 2009 Of course your mentors and instructors no your flying skills. I would think more in the 210 range. Check out Brian Germains canopy chart. [http://www.bigairsportz.com/pdf/bas-sizingchart.pdf]ATTACK LIFE ! IT'S GOING TO KILL YOU ANYWAY!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #6 January 31, 2009 I hear the bigger the better, you may be landing from half brakes a lot."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #7 January 31, 2009 You should put this much effort into learning to land the canopy you have now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #8 January 31, 2009 Quote i think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. That wouldn't be a 7-cell canopy with bottom skin vents by any chance?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #9 January 31, 2009 Quote Quote i think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. That wouldn't be a 7-cell canopy with bottom skin vents by any chance? maybe!? i'm going with some jumpers tomorrow, take video and pics, just to get a "live"-feeling for it.. looking forward really much, even get to take my climbing-gear out again! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #10 January 31, 2009 Quote Quote Quote i think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. That wouldn't be a 7-cell canopy with bottom skin vents by any chance? maybe!? i'm going with some jumpers tomorrow, take video and pics, just to get a "live"-feeling for it.. looking forward really much, even get to take my climbing-gear out again! get a velo 310! swoops like mad! I initiate my 720 at 30 feet and get a nice 5 foot turf surf. ;) ( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #11 January 31, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote i think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. That wouldn't be a 7-cell canopy with bottom skin vents by any chance? maybe!? i'm going with some jumpers tomorrow, take video and pics, just to get a "live"-feeling for it.. looking forward really much, even get to take my climbing-gear out again! get a velo 310! swoops like mad! I initiate my 720 at 30 feet and get a nice 5 foot turf surf. ;) ( wonder what the PD-guys would say about an order like that.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #12 January 31, 2009 Quotei think my next canopy really should be something in the 260-280's range, i'd go with the 280, but i fear to run into issues on those stronger wind days.. EIFF claims a 22 MPH forward speed with wingloading around .7 for their classic accuracy canopy. Since forward speed varies with the square root of size, if a 285 will let you go forwards in a 22 MPH wind, a 265 will get you through 23 MPH. There's no real difference. The ideal wing loading is probably .65-.75 with the lower end being more pleasant. Perhaps not coincidentally that's what EIFF suggests for classic accuracy. Naked weight + 100 and add a size for tight landing areas is another rule of thumb. That means a 280-300 at your current weight; a 265 if you were to loose 20 pounds. I liked my 245 best when I weighed 150 pounds without gear. The thing is that when things get crowded you stop the parachute before you land. Since it's no longer flying you want a lot of fabric over your head so you don't land too hard. For comparison purposes, a 24' round lands like a ton of bricks in spite of having 452 square feet of projected area. The upper size limit comes from having a canopy that's still small enough to respond and turn away from obstacles. Quote my mentor says, go for a anything inbetween 240-260, but since i ever hardly leave a meal out, and like to have beers laters, i dont think thats a wise choice. what do you guys think about my plans!? A 240 will be too small. A 260 is too small for interesting landing areas if you don't loose weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #13 January 31, 2009 so, what you say is, go for anything bigger than 260!? got an offer for a 266 flik with full options, what would you say about that!? but i'd stilll prefer something more in the 280-something range. contacted apex about it, theyll have an eye out for me too..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #14 February 1, 2009 Assuming the canopy is for BASE eventually, size it for BASE; don't worry about sizing it for skydiving. Let's say you're 200 lbs geared (based on your profile), thinking about a 280. That's .71 loading. I jumped an big 7 cell accuracy canopy loaded .65 for years. I never had a problem with high winds and would jump whenever others jumped. Ok, sure, sometimes if I messed up the spot or didn't pay attention I'd land off in the boonies, but that wasn't often. There were a couple compensating factors: it was a Cessna DZ so people got decent spots, and with a slow canopy I wouldn't be opening up high at 3,500'. Strong wind days did take some care -- Making sure to stay facing into the wind during much of the ride, and planning an approach that wouldn't let you drift far downwind. I liked making a fast downwind run at low altitude, then turning to face the wind at no higher than a couple hundred feet. The lower you set up, the less you can be in error if the wind isn't what you expected. And a run downwind offers much better visibility than facing the wind for a final approach from up high, blowing backwards, and trying to look back behind you, past your legs for a predicted touchdown spot. Usually by the moment of touchdown, wind shear brought the wind down enough that even if you were backing up on approach, you could touch down pretty much vertically and stay on your feet. So if managed properly I don't consider it a big problem to fly a lightly loaded 7 cell all the time. Besides, if you're gonna BASE at some point, suck it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #15 February 1, 2009 Going to take up ground launching??? DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #16 February 1, 2009 Quoteso, what you say is, go for anything bigger than 260!? Yes. Quote got an offer for a 266 flik with full options, what would you say about that!? Depends on how likely you really are to loose 20 pounds and where you get to jump. A nice big grassy 50x100' landing area can turn into a 10x10' boulder top if you're stupid enough to end up on the wrong side of the ridge at the at the end. Wing loading closer to .65 is very much preferable in that case. If you're just going to jump off a certain bridge in Idaho size and land in the grass size is less important; but that doesn't stay as exciting as it starts. I really like my Fox; it sinks nice. My Dagger is sportier but not as well suited to tight landing areas. The Flik is supposed to be an update of the Fox. Video of cliff strikes with vents and valves shows that the canopy stays inflated better so they're probably a good idea too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 February 1, 2009 Upsizing should be done very gradually, and only with plenty of experience. I'm sick to death of reading incidents where some 2,000 jump wonder under a Manta breaks himself under a perfectly good canopy that's just too damn slow for his skill set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #18 February 1, 2009 I load my BASE canopy at 0.61:1 and im happy with that when landing in tight area's. I remember one jump when an offheading made me do an agressive turn and i bled too much altitude to hit the main LZ, in the darkness i could make out that i was going to hit a power line if i tried. I flew out, made almost a 180 right to put me to the side of the tower going under the guy wires and landing about 3ft from a very big; hard fence. I was so glad my canopy was loaded that lightly. Something to think about Christoph, id go with a 280.1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #19 February 1, 2009 Quote Upsizing should be done very gradually, and only with plenty of experience. I'm sick to death of reading incidents where some 2,000 jump wonder under a Manta breaks himself under a perfectly good canopy that's just too damn slow for his skill set. Still, sometimes people unused to big canopies get over involved in trying to sink one down to the bowl and end up stalling or just dropping in hard, short of the bowl on hard ground. Swooping Mantas or other big F-111 has its risks too. Sluggish on front risers, a miniscule recovery arc, and you have to initiate the turn really low. When I borrrow a Manta, acting as a pretend student for a new jumpmaster or the like, it isn't easy to get a swoop out of it. I usually do a hard 360 or 720 toggle spiral to the recovery and flare. Tends to scare people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #20 February 1, 2009 If you couldn't stall the canopy it would be boring! I know my arse hole has tightened a few times when sinking something in and getting a little agressive 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #21 February 1, 2009 Quote arse hole You're in America now, it's Asshole. Get it right or we'll deport your pikey ass. Sorry for the hijack. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #22 February 1, 2009 I am happy being the British contingent in American lands. Although i am looking forward to the super bowl 1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #23 February 1, 2009 QuoteSwooping Mantas or other big F-111 has its risks too. Sluggish on front risers, a miniscule recovery arc, and you have to initiate the turn really low. Can say that again! First time I tried to swoop mine the turn was so slow I had to bail to toggles otherwise I'd have overshot the landing area sideways. Made sure I set up further back and really pulled the riser down to my chest the next time, that worked better.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #24 February 1, 2009 When swooping big F1-11 canopies whats your method?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #25 February 1, 2009 Quote When swooping big F1-11 canopies whats your method? Very basic! When I figure out how to do it properly, I'll let you knowDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
