Nutz 0 #26 March 3, 2009 My rigger charges me more if I leave the main attatched. $5.00. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lauras 0 #27 March 3, 2009 Quote Quote If, on that next jump, you have a mal and a reserve ride, do you get a free repack? You pay for pack jobs, not openings... no refunds! I don't know why anyone would use a packer that said or believed that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halfpastniner 0 #28 March 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote If, on that next jump, you have a mal and a reserve ride, do you get a free repack? You pay for pack jobs, not openings... no refunds! I don't know why anyone would use a packer that said or believed that. Well shit! Thats pretty much my exact mantra! I guess i better go ask for some bailout money cause ill be out of a job soon!BASE 1384 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #29 March 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote If, on that next jump, you have a mal and a reserve ride, do you get a free repack? You pay for pack jobs, not openings... no refunds! I don't know why anyone would use a packer that said or believed that. A jumper can do a lot to mess up an opening despite the quality of a pack job. The packer is not the only factor, so why should he take all the blame. From a practical point of view, you'd never be able to equitably assess the contributions to a poor opening, so to avoid the whole matter, you simply say "no refunds". Kind of like the establishments that have a sign that says they reserve the right to not serve anyone they choose. Its just good business to make things clear up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cashmanimal 0 #30 March 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote If, on that next jump, you have a mal and a reserve ride, do you get a free repack? You pay for pack jobs, not openings... no refunds! I don't know why anyone would use a packer that said or believed that. I can't think of a dropzone I've been to that didn't have at least one person like that. They trust in the notion/statistic that that will more than likely have an 'acceptable' opening. Even at a boogie over the summer there was a packer running around doing 3-4 minute pack jobs for $5, and there were people eating that offer up so they could make as many loads as possible. They'd rather deal with an opening that was out of their comfort zone than miss the load (not always unseasonable). He'd check the line groups, shake the canopy, take care of the nose, wrap it up, shove it in, there ya go... not a complicated process, but one people would obviously rather pay him to do than do it themselves....It's all fun and until someone loses an eye... then it's just a game to find the eye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #31 March 4, 2009 I can't believe no ones gotten this right yet... Correct answer; TIP THE RIGGER! Let's go make a jump. Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buzzbomb 0 #32 March 4, 2009 If your rigger looks like this don't jump it. I personaly don't like anyone packing for me, but realy chances are it's fine. The same thing happened to me recently and I had a better opening than any of my pack jobs. If it's realy that big of a deal then repack it, and next repack tell him to leave the main out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #33 March 5, 2009 Quote You pay for pack jobs, not openings... no refunds! I don't know why anyone would use a packer that said or believed that. Long story short, a "packer" packed my sport rig while I was up doing a tandem so I could make a fun load, even though I didn't think much of the guy and told him not too. When I got down, my friends handed me my packed rig and pressured me to jump with them. A real slammer of an opening, 6 broken lines, and, of course, a cutaway. After I landed in the peas, I heard him holler "Well, I guess you're not going to pay me for that one." I didn't. Turned out the guy had about 10 cutaways in 1000 jumps, not really the guy I want packing for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #34 March 5, 2009 Did anybody ever think that if you have a cutaway and reserve ride, the rigger is going to get another reserve repack? You know, job security. Intentionally pack a mal to get the next repack. Now, I don't know ANY rigger that I would think would do anything like that, but it could happen. As a rigger I would not pack the main to avoid this accusation were it to accidentally occur. Note: I'm not a rigger, but working on it.Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerpaul 1 #35 March 5, 2009 If a person wants me to inspect and repack his main when I do a reserve I&R for him, that's fine with me. He'll get a detailed report on the condition of his main, and he'll get my normal very careful $10 main packing. I have never, to my knowledge, packed a mal for anyone, not me, not anybody else. I have no packing-related reserve rides. If he has a mal and a reserve ride, that's not exactly on me. This is skydiving - there are no guarantees. There are lots of things he might have done to contribute to his own mal despite my packing. If he can prove that something I did was directly responsible, maybe we'll discuss it more. If he thinks I purposefully did something so I would get another repack from him, I'll encourage him to use another rigger, not out of spite or indignation, but to assure him that I will see no gain from it. But again, this is skydiving, there are no guarantees. If people ask me, that's what I'll tell them. That's the way I do business. That doesn't make me some kind of horrible packer who should never be trusted. If you don't have complete faith in the person who packs for you, why are you using that person? If you have faith in your packer, then why would you blame him? All in all, I think everybody should pack his own main in the first place. That's the rule I use for myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #36 March 5, 2009 Quote If you don't have complete faith in the person who packs for you, why are you using that person? If you have faith in your packer, then why would you blame him? Read my previous post.And no, he wasn't a rigger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 5 #37 March 5, 2009 My rigger also is my packer at the DZ, so I EXPECT him to repack my main when he does the reserver. Even if my rigger wasn't my packer, I'd let him pack the main too. Heck, he knows a lot more about parachutes than I do. There have been times with other riggers where they say they'll charge me $20 or $30 to repack the main. I say "forget it."There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
