regulator 0 #1 March 20, 2009 I've been wondering about this for a while but always forgot to ask it. It's more rhetorical than anything but lets say you were in a commercial flight..things went bad and the plane was going down...you had your rig with you and there was a way you could exit the aircraft without flying into a jet intake...what's the max speed one could exit an aircraft and not be ripped to shreds? 200 Knots? and if you did exit what do you think would be the best way to counteract the much faster relative winds? Wrap yourself in the fetal position (like a ball) It's not massively important but more of a curious question than anything. Thanks for your asistance PK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #2 March 20, 2009 I imagine all of the other passengers ripping at you and your rig would do more harm than the 200 knot exit airspeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #3 March 20, 2009 What if it was a planeful of whuffos? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #4 March 20, 2009 Quote What if it was a planeful of whuffos? I have to agree with grimmie. I think that most whuffos in that situation would think parachute=life and no parachute=no life........even if he didn't have any idea how to use it. Too many movies, cartoons, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #5 March 20, 2009 Well I read the article regaring videoman and they discussed if the videoman had tried a Mr. Bill for deployment and they said somewhere in the nature of 1,500 lbs of snatch force is what one encounters from deployment at terminal. Of course thats distributed throughout the harness so its not painful per say but no one would be able to hold on by human means through a deployment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 March 20, 2009 In over 100 years of aviation has this scenario ever actually happened? Pretty sure the answer is no. I find it fascinating the question keeps getting asked.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 March 20, 2009 Quote DB did it! No. He didn't. The airplane was not in any danger of going down and wasn't full of passengers.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffmullins 0 #9 March 20, 2009 There are several instances of pilots ejecting at supersonic speeds. Even though they are strapped to a seat the forces should be comparable to leaving a subsonic airliner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,102 #10 March 20, 2009 >what's the max speed one could exit an aircraft and not be ripped to >shreds? 200 Knots? Well, as the first 727 jumps at Quincy were made with a jump run speed of 205 knots, it's a safe bet that 200 knots is OK. (A few minor injuries occurred at 205.) > Wrap yourself in the fetal position (like a ball) Exiting from an airplane like that isn't really going to allow you to select an exit attitude. >somewhere in the nature of 1,500 lbs of snatch force is what one >encounters from deployment at terminal. That would be close to a 10G opening. Most openings are closer to 2 or 3G's. Mr. Bill jumps are quite possible and have been done many times; even a few at terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 March 21, 2009 Quote There are several instances of pilots ejecting at supersonic speeds. Even though they are strapped to a seat the forces should be comparable to leaving a subsonic airliner. I'm not talking about the jump and survive part. Obviously jet pilots eject at high speed. I'm talking about being the only jumper on the plane that just happens to have brought his rig with him, the plane is going down and . . . THAT has never, to my knowledge, happened; ever.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 610 #12 March 21, 2009 Quote Quote DB did it! No. He didn't. The airplane was not in any danger of going down and wasn't full of passengers. and there is no proof that he survivedExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 March 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote DB did it! No. He didn't. The airplane was not in any danger of going down and wasn't full of passengers. and there is no proof that he survived Are you mad? There's an entire thread devoted to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #14 March 21, 2009 I've always kind of figured that there were people alive in freefall whent he korean airliner was shot down and in the bombing over lockerby and the explosion off long island. They may not have been alive for long and they may not have been concious. But these, especially Long Island, may have been given the opportunity for a skydiver WEARING their rig to use it. Not worth really considering. BTW what's the exit speed limit for the space shuttle escape pole?I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 March 21, 2009 Quote and there is no proof that he survived This guy is proof it can be done.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_McCoy,_Jr. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #16 March 21, 2009 In response to your question: -Getting the door open would be a problem if the cabin was pressurized even slightly. If there were big gaping holes in the fuselage, probably not such a problem. - Getting sucked into an engine? Leaving forward of the engines would be a problem. Even if they are not running, that's a big piece of junk to not hit. On an A/C with wing mounted engines, leave from over the wing or further back. On an A/C with rear mounted engines, look for an airstair, like the B-727. The DC-9 had an exit in the back, too. I'm not sure if it was emergency only. - Body position on exit? I would tuck into a small ball. It would lessen the wind forces and G loads on exit, and I'd be blown back less as gravity pulled me downwards away from the plane. This would lessen my chances of smacking something on the plane. This assumes the plane is not plunging straight down. There, that's my $.02 worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #17 March 21, 2009 Quote Well I read the article regaring videoman and they discussed if the videoman had tried a Mr. Bill for deployment and they said somewhere in the nature of 1,500 lbs of snatch force is what one encounters from deployment at terminal. Of course thats distributed throughout the harness so its not painful per say but no one would be able to hold on by human means through a deployment. Oh, I wasn't considering whether such a situation would be survivable. I'm just saying that if the plane was going down and someone had a rig, he would probably have to fight someone (everyone?) over it. If one of the other passengers ends up with the parachute he/she probably wouldn't be educated enough to consider other hazards (exit speed, engines and other parts in the way, etc.) He's maybe thinking "I've got the chute. I live...everyone else dies." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_music11 0 #18 March 21, 2009 If it were only me.. plane IS goin down.. I have the opportunity to adorn the "save my ass" suit and get outta door/opening... Im on it.. damn skippy sure gonna try.. might have to fight a few to do it..but yea.. gonna try it... (if wife was with me, then Im putting the chute on her and giving her the fastest pre jump prep EVER!! and praying that she obsorbed something by osmosis or watchin any of my jumps, that she land safely)If flying is piloting a plane.. then swimming is driving a boat. I know why birds sing.. I skydive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcsvader 1 #19 March 22, 2009 Im pretty sure that if the plane was going down everyone else on board would be to busy freaking out, frozen in fear, praying to thier god, masterbaiting, to notice me climbing out while i think to myself. If this works, I'm going to be fucking famous!this reminds me of a similar post i saw on here. Same situation, plane come apart in flight, you find yourself outside of plane in freefall with no rig and you track like a motherfucker away from the plane just to fuck with the investigators while they try to figure out why you went in 3 miles away from the plane crash. I think of that one everytime im on a flight. Have you seen my pants? it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream >:) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moto89 0 #20 March 22, 2009 Quote you track like a motherfucker away from the plane just to fuck with the investigators while they try to figure out why you went in 3 miles away from the plane crash. Bwahaha Less talking, more flying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #21 March 23, 2009 Quote I've always kind of figured that there were people alive in freefall whent he korean airliner was shot down and in the bombing over lockerby and the explosion off long island. They may not have been alive for long and they may not have been concious. But these, especially Long Island, may have been given the opportunity for a skydiver WEARING their rig to use it. Not worth really considering. BTW what's the exit speed limit for the space shuttle escape pole? Been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty certain the book on Lockerbie said there were people still alive when they hit the ground. Crash landed in their seats and died shortly after impact. Sounds far-fetched but the book seemed very well researched and cited witness accoonts." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 March 23, 2009 Quote In over 100 years of aviation has this scenario ever actually happened? Pretty sure the answer is no. The opportunity has presented itself, had a skydiver been on board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Flight_243 http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/publications/tp185/2-07/Images/Maintenance1.jpg In that situation, I would probably prefer to take my chances with my parachute, rather than stay with that crippled plane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #23 March 23, 2009 Quote Quote In over 100 years of aviation has this scenario ever actually happened? Pretty sure the answer is no. The opportunity has presented itself, had a skydiver been on board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Flight_243 http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/publications/tp185/2-07/Images/Maintenance1.jpg In that situation, I would probably prefer to take my chances with my parachute, rather than stay with that crippled plane. I remember al the good tasteless jokes after that Aloha accident: Would you like smoking or non-smoking? Patio seating? Large gaping hole or no large gaping hole?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #24 March 23, 2009 BTW what's the exit speed limit for the space shuttle escape pole? ------------------------------------------------------------ I'm sorry when I read that all I could think about was some strippers wearing spacesuits giving lapdances to the astronauts and then suddenly getting ripped out from a hole created by space debris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #25 March 23, 2009 Quote BTW what's the exit speed limit for the space shuttle escape pole? Approx. 200 kt (230 mph). http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/technology/sts-newsref/sts_egress.html Kevin K._____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
