Beware Be Where

[Slyde 0]

In 1959, some big ass-hole from Texas said we should all "beware." I won't mention his name just yet, but his initials are I.E. He is from Dennison. It's up there on top a Sherman.

This is a thought. It is a thought which compares your USPA with the military industrial complex. It will doo this comparison with questions. Questions like: Does USPA seek to represent YOU? Or does USPA seek to CONTROL you?

Or: Does USPA make your sport bigger and more prosperous? Or does USPA concentrate on making ITSELF bigger and more prosperous?

Well, aren't they one and the same? You ask. Isn't my sport bigger and more prosperous if USPA is bigger and more prosperous? Maybe so; maybe not.

They just raised your dues. That should cause more skydives to occur. Right? You should hope so. Right? Causing more skydives to occur would seem rather fundamental. No? USPA would never strive to stop skydives from occurring. Right?

And how about regulations? Adult entertainment should be regulated. No? There should be limits on how much fun you should have. Right? And the Federal Government REALLY should limit your entertainment in the name of public safety. Right?

Is YOUR USPA responsible for restricting your weekend fun?
FAA thinks that it IS.

I can tell you with absolute certainty, ladies and gentlemen that FAA EXPECTS USPA to be the police.
I can tell you with absolute certainty ladies and gentlemen that USPA LOVES being the police.

And I believe they will deny it when you ask.
Please ask. Please ask. Please ask.

And while you're at it. Ask them about deregulation.
FAA would LOVE to deregulate your sport.
What business should the FEDS have in regulating a bunch of high-spirited, highly affluent, highly educated, fun-loving and spiritual humans in the practice of their chosen form of relaxation?

Ike said beware.
Are your higher USsPAy dues chipping in to the military industrial complex?
Is USPA under the current care, custody and control of 2 soldiers and 2 sissies?

Maybe so. Maybe not. Sale on good ship USsPAy.
There's may be a need for more frequent soundings aft. You've a crack astern.

m~
slyde

that's sphincter as in sssfugguuu

A Peace Prize within minutes of Bombing the Moon. Coincidence? "Beware the Military Industrial Complex." You GO Ike!

[theonlyski 8]

wtf are you talking about?

Sounds like a trip to SC soon for this thread.

"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly
DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890
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[BillyVance 34]

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wtf are you talking about?

Sounds like a trip to SC soon for this thread.

Nah... it's a rant about the state of skydiving than anything else.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[Krip 2]

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wtf are you talking about?

Sounds like a trip to SC soon for this thread.

Nah... it's a rant about the state of skydiving than anything else.

Slyde has some issue's with USPA

Check out his profile and his latest posts for the rest of the story.

It is what it is

One Jump Wonder

[firstime 0]

you might want to think about getting involved with the USPA (BOD) then maybe you could make some suggestions. food for thought

[airtwardo 7]

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you might want to think about getting involved with the USPA (BOD) then maybe you could make some suggestions. food for thought

YEAH...that's the ticket!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Krip 2]

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you might want to think about getting involved with the USPA (BOD) then maybe you could make some suggestions. food for thought

YEAH...that's the ticket!

Hi T

LMAO

BTW

Congrats on your first grandkid.

BEER!!!!

One Jump Wonder

[airtwardo 7]

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you might want to think about getting involved with the USPA (BOD) then maybe you could make some suggestions. food for thought

YEAH...that's the ticket!

Hi T

LMAO

BTW

Congrats on your first grandkid.

BEER!!!!

Thanks Krip...but not yet, got the bought but the lil' guy is holdin' up the party.

Maybe tomorrow...

MOTHERS DAY!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[fincher 0]

its a good rant.

When was the last time that a scuba diving organization tried to pull someones scuba liscense for conduct unbecoming of a scuba diver?????

Thats right people the USPA owns our sport. this one single group of people can raise havoc in your life and try to stop you from ever skydiving if they simply disagree with you. Sorry but thats BS. Skydiving does not need police. I prefer freedom to conduct my skydives as i see fit. As long as i'm within the LAW. Dont get me wrong ...nothing bad about the USPA laying out some guidelines and recommendations. Nothing wrong with structuring training programs. But this "disciplinary" action crap seems a little out of hand. I really cant believe they sent someone a letter saying that this person was guilty of conduct unbecoming of a skydiver. The last time i checked the USPA was not a branch of the armed forces. What the hell is conduct unbecoming of a skydiver??

You arent suppose to scuba dive without a buddy. But if i choose to do so the liscensing organization isnt going to come strip me of my membership and liscense.

i'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your packing tent down

[catfishhunter 2]

You don't have to be a USPA member to skydive, don't like being a member don't be one.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

That is incorrect in most areas.

[ozzy13 0]

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You don't have to be a USPA member to skydive, don't like being a member don't be one.

Good luck trying to make a jump in the northeast without being a member!!!

Never give the gates up and always trust your rears!

[Krip 2]

lodi

One Jump Wonder

[ufk22 33]

His initials are actually D. E., Dwight Eisenhower.
The quote is from a retirement speech, don't think it was ever inscribed on a tank.
These message board rants aren't going to build you any support in your fight with USPA.

This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

[pirana 0]

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In 1959, some big ass-hole from Texas said we should all "beware." I won't mention his name just yet, but his initials are I.E. He is from Dennison. It's up there on top a Sherman.

Oh! I love quizzes.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[catfishhunter 2]

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That is incorrect in most areas.

Really? In which part of the country has the FAA made it mandatory for you to be a USPA Member? I have never heard this so please qoute the regulation that you speak of.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

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That is incorrect in most areas.

Really? In which part of the country has the FAA made it mandatory for you to be a USPA Member? I have never heard this so please qoute the regulation that you speak of.

There is no regulation but most DZs will not allow you to jump if you are not a member. Come to Georgia and give it a shot.

[skydived19006 4]

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That is incorrect in most areas.

Really? In which part of the country has the FAA made it mandatory for you to be a USPA Member? I have never heard this so please qoute the regulation that you speak of.

There is no regulation but most DZs will not allow you to jump if you are not a member. Come to Georgia and give it a shot.

Must be the commercialization. Anyone or group of anyone's can purchase an airplane, find a grass strip, commercial pilot, and you're skydiving! No USPA GM, no USPA IM, no tandems, etc! This very thing at one time was quite common, but there wasn't any money in it (at least not the positive cash flow kind). The problem seems to be that the vast majority of DZOs these days seem to see what they do as a business.

I know, I know, you're thinking I'm an ass hole for even suggesting that you do your own thing. "I can't afford to buy an airplane." "I can't dedicate 20 hours a weekend to running a DZ." "I can't..., I can't..., I can't..., I can't... Maybe you can? All it takes is dedication, and a some cash!

Martin Myrtle
Part Time DZO, and Full Time Electrician (so I can afford to eat indoors!)

Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else.

AC DZ

[pilotdave 0]

Even the couple of non-GM DZ's I've jumped at required USPA membership to jump at them. Insurance and licenses are probably a couple of the reasons. While not impossible, it's very unrealistic to be able to skydive without a USPA membership in many parts of the country. I'm OK with that... until another organization comes along that does what USPA does, but better. I don't see that happening any time soon.

Dave

[airtwardo 7]

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That is incorrect in most areas.

Really? In which part of the country has the FAA made it mandatory for you to be a USPA Member? I have never heard this so please qoute the regulation that you speak of.

There is no regulation but most DZs will not allow you to jump if you are not a member. Come to Georgia and give it a shot.

Must be the commercialization. Anyone or group of anyone's can purchase an airplane, find a grass strip, commercial pilot, and you're skydiving! No USPA GM, no USPA IM, no tandems, etc! This very thing at one time was quite common, but there wasn't any money in it (at least not the positive cash flow kind). The problem seems to be that the vast majority of DZOs these days seem to see what they do as a business.

I know, I know, you're thinking I'm an ass hole for even suggesting that you do your own thing. "I can't afford to buy an airplane." "I can't dedicate 20 hours a weekend to running a DZ." "I can't..., I can't..., I can't..., I can't... Maybe you can? All it takes is dedication, and a some cash!

Martin Myrtle
Part Time DZO, and Full Time Electrician (so I can afford to eat indoors!)

That's the kind of Skydiving CLUB that I started at in 1976.

10 guys each put up a grand and bought a 182, they 'occasionally' taught students and did demos to pay for fuel and the annual...

As long as there was a $ reserve in the coffers for that stuff ...FREE JUMPS!

*I didn't join USPA until a few years after I started because I didn't need to....there were always magazines lying around the clubhouse.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[skydived19006 4]

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That's the kind of Skydiving CLUB that I started at in 1976.

10 guys each put up a grand and bought a 182, they 'occasionally' taught students and did demos to pay for fuel and the annual...

As long as there was a $ reserve in the coffers for that stuff ...FREE JUMPS!

*I didn't join USPA until a few years after I started because I didn't need to....there were always magazines lying around the clubhouse.

The world and skydiving has changed. Getting together, buying an airplane, etc. wasn't all that uncommon "back in the day" (which by the way was before my time in the sport). I started a thread in the History forum detailing dropzones in Kansas over the years. There were quite a few "plane, grass strip, and a shade tree" DZs over the years.
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3204702;search_string=kansas;#3204702

My guess though is that most skydivers these days would prefer an Otter and indoor plumbing with the accompanying USPA required membership to a C182 with no door or step and shit'n in the weeds.

Martin

Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else.

AC DZ

[pilotdave 0]

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My guess though is that most skydivers these days would prefer an Otter and indoor plumbing with the accompanying USPA required membership to a C182 with no door or step and shit'n in the weeds.

And skydivers back in the day wouldn't have preferred those things too? USPA membership costs about 2 jumps these days. I'm not pooping in weeds to save that kind of money.

Dave

[skydived19006 4]

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And skydivers back in the day wouldn't have preferred those things too? USPA membership costs about 2 jumps these days. I'm not pooping in weeds to save that kind of money.

Dave

Not to mention that the Otter will take you to 13, to 14k with 23 of your closest friends for the money you'll pay for a 182 to haul you to 9, or 10k. Folks around here are willing to drive 5 plus hours for that extra 15 seconds of freefall.

Besides, you get that cool magazine for "free" with your paid membership!

As for my DZ, I do require USPA membership. I agree to this requirement every time I renew my Group Membership. That said, checking that people keep up their membership is one thing that I don't actively do. It is "the law", I simply don't actively enforce it, and apparently don't care who knows .

New to me skydiver: Do you require USPA membership to jump here?
Me: Yep,
Skydiver: I'll get my card.
Me: I don't need to see it. But I will look at your reserve packing data card, and log book.

Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else.

AC DZ

[DanG 1]

And when the guy who claims he's a USPA member and isn't lands on top of a spectator's car, you'll eat the damages. (Don't think you'll make him pay it. He won't.)

Don't laugh, it happened to us. We're pretty careful about checking USPA credentials now.

- Dan G

[skydived19006 4]

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And when the guy who claims he's a USPA member and isn't lands on top of a spectator's car, you'll eat the damages. (Don't think you'll make him pay it. He won't.)

Don't laugh, it happened to us. We're pretty careful about checking USPA credentials now.

You're right. With very few exceptions everyone who jumps at my DZ are USPA members. They have to be to jump at boogies, and other DZs who not only require membership, but actively enforce it. Besides, they all want their own copy of Parachutist!

Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else.

AC DZ