USPA membership renewal.......

[mwabd1 0]

Got an interesting email this morning............

We received your membership renewal application. You membership has been processed, although you ratings have not. The membership of the person who signed for your ratings has expired.

Guess from now on we must all verify that the person signing our forms has a current membership.

.......I hereby reject your reality and instead choose to insert my own!

[councilman24 37]

Always been that way, nothing new.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[JohnRich 4]

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The membership of the person who signed for your ratings has expired

If he was a valid member at the time he signed for the ratings, that should be good,
regardless if he expired subsequent to that.
If he was expired at the time he signed, then he had no authority to do so.

[mwabd1 0]

I know what the rules are................

My point is (or question to all is) when you renew have you ever asked if the person signing your form is current with their membership? I just trusted that the local S&TA was a good standing member; next time I will request to see documentation to back it up.

.......I hereby reject your reality and instead choose to insert my own!

[matthewcline 0]

I have asked and have been asked the same question. I took no offense to being asked as I thought it was good sense .

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[tetra316 0]

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I know what the rules are................

My point is (or question to all is) when you renew have you ever asked if the person signing your form is current with their membership? I just trusted that the local S&TA was a good standing member; next time I will request to see documentation to back it up.

That person signing should have known better than to sign you off. But not everyone knows or cares about the rules.

[JohnRich 4]

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I know what the rules are...

That wasn't obvious from your initial post. All you quoted was; "The membership of the person who signed for your ratings has expired". That doesn't specify whether the expiration occurred before or after the signature. So I was trying to clarify your options based upon how that circumstance.

Pardon me for trying to be helpful.

[Nutz 0]

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Pardon me for trying to be helpful.

The beatings will continue until moral improves.

"Don't! Get! Eliminated!"

[tdog 0]

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You membership has been processed, although you ratings have not. The membership of the person who signed for your ratings has expired.

When I sent in my coach application, which was signed by one of Don Y's final candidates before he died of heart problems, I got a phone call from the USPA that the person who signed my coach card was deceased.

I called that person and informed them of their previous demise. They were quite surprised to find out they were dead. It turns out the USPA killed off everyone (or at least this person) who was in Don's final AFF-I course as their applications were received after Don's death. But Don re-earned his AFF rating instead of being marked "deceased" in the computer.

It took surprising quantities of phone calls to straighten out the who situation. First my friend had to be reborn. Then he had to get all his ratings in his afterlife again. Then my app had to be re-processed. And to complicate matters, Don was my evaluator for my Coach proficiency jumps on my card....

Moral to story: Should the person who signs your application be dead, and they don't know they are dead, their signature is still useless.

[tkhayes 348]

there has been a lot of discussion in and out of USPA on their spineless backbones and so the pressure is on somewhat to enforce the rules. We now have a President (Stokes) who might actually put some dignity back into the organization and perhaps some consistency when it comes to matters like this.

So, yes, if your local S&TA has not renewed his/her membership, then they are not much of an S&TA are they?

'Raising the standards' has to happen at all levels, starting at the top.

It is an inconvenience for you, yes, but I bet you won't let it happen again, and I bet that signing person won't either, since now everyone knows about it.......

[DougH 270]

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So, yes, if your local S&TA has not renewed his/her membership, then they are not much of an S&TA are they?

If the S&TA was in good standing when they signed it shouldn't matter at all that they are now no longer in good standing in regards to their membership.

I don't see the connection between their current status, and what they did in the past.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[JohnRich 4]

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If the S&TA was in good standing when they signed it shouldn't matter at all that they are now no longer in good standing in regards to their membership. I don't see the connection between their current status, and what they did in the past.

I don't think anyone here is questioning his competence as an S&TA, just his legal status. For example, if your driver's license expires, and you continue to drive, you are still just as good a driver as you were before. Your competency as a driver doesn't degrade because a date on some piece of paper expired. However, you are no longer a legal driver and have no authority to be on the public roads operating a motor vehicle. So, the expired S&TA is still just as good a guy as he was before, however, he no longer has the legal authority to approve official documents. It's a technical problem, rather than an issue of competency.

[JohnDeere 0]

Correct John but Doug was saying that if the S&TA. Signed something while he was still current and in good standing then it shouldn't be a problem like some have had

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!