mircan 0 #1 June 2, 2009 What documents, licenses, waivers signed... etc. are required from new jumper that comes to your DZ/Boogie (unknown skill level)? I ask because... Recently I started some heavy discussion on local forums on the subject of skydiver licenses, logbooks, waivers, equipment documentation etc. In my country there are some pretty strict rules that apply for skydiving activities. And it mostly sucks. Majority of these rules are written by the people that either quit skydiving and are not current in the sport or just plane bureaucrats. Still, they made law that is in effect and we must obey it until they change it. As I do. Now, some of the people that do not want to obey such laws decided that they don`t want to jump here, so they opted to go to neighbouring countries and jump there. Those people claim that when they go to foreign dz/boogie all that is requested from them is so sign off waiver (where they fill in skydiving data by what they remember) and they are good to go. No questions asked, no equipment checks, no reserve repack check etc. I have been on several dz-s/boogies in surrounding countries and me too were not asked for any documentation except to sign the fcking waiver. Maybe because people know me, or they know people that I came with, or they just want to sell more tickets. I have a problem with such a policy because even if I know I`m safety conscious, out there are some people that are not (maybe even they are not aware of that). And "if-you-screw-up-you-are-out-of-here" rule don`t apply because they can easily take me or you out of the sky on that first jump. Hell, he can jump last, do a solo HD, zoom across the sky and take me out from above when I`m shooting 4-way. So, on what is like on your DZ? Would you let anybody jump as long as he/she signs waiver? What is your experience when you went at some other DZ/boogie? US, Europe, Africa... wherever.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #2 June 2, 2009 At Teuge: waiver plus paper check (license, insurance and/or membership of applicable skydiving association, medical if needed, logcard for rig, logbook sometimes). Not sure if we actually check the rig always but it gets seen anyway when you jump. At other Dutch, Belgian, French and Spanish DZs I've been to: same, some with mandatory gear check. Funny when someone grabs your rig "I need to turn on your AAD" and then you have to show them after a few tries how to turn on your Argus ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #3 June 2, 2009 USPA membership card (current) Logbook Reserve Data Card Signed waiver You may or may not be subject to additional inquiry depending on your license level and currency. A D license jumper who jumped at their DZ in the last 6 months is likely to receive less of a discussion than someone who has 26 jumps and their log book says their last jump was 4 weeks ago. We don't check gear, just the reserve card. Some DZ's I've been on have checked my gear out thoroughly although a recent experience made me laugh when an S&TA felt my open corners Voodoo might not be "safe." He'd never seen one. He'd also never seen a bridle routed beneath the flaps vs over the flap. He informed me I needed to re-close my container because a bridle beneath the flaps is "guaranteed to cause a PC in tow." In other words, just because a DZ requires a gear check doesn't mean they know what they are looking at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #4 June 2, 2009 Sign waiver, check license, logbook, reserve packing card. Pretty standard where I've been: 15 DZ's, all in US. Some places seemed to keep an eye on me at first, some didn't.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #5 June 2, 2009 So many quick answers. Thanks. How about Boogies? I got the feeling that, at least where I have been, the only parameter is number of sold tickets. Are stuff like this happen over there: "If I remember correctly the only checking I got there was a big guy that took a step back, looked me over and I guess looked into my soul to confirm that I was licensed." Situation where bilvon lookalike comes to XX DZ ant they just look at him and say you`re OK. * I emphasize that you don`t know a guy personally.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #6 June 2, 2009 Boogies tend to be the same process as a normal weekend, though there's sometimes a boogie registration process on top of the other steps. The DZ might have more/different folks involved in getting people going since the volume of people coming in might slam the normal manifest staff. A couple DZs that I go to use their annual boogie as the opportunity to get everyone, including the local jumpers, recurrent on their waivers. So even if you're a "regular" you might need to re-waiver at the boogie."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #7 June 2, 2009 I have been to a number of dropzones that never asked for my logbook. They just required a USPA card, reserve card and a signed waiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #8 June 2, 2009 I can't believe you guys missed this one... Lots of Money $$$$$$$Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrwrong 0 #9 June 2, 2009 Where I jump you are required as a visitor to present a License that are FAI affiliated, log book and the rig journal. Provide us with your (and your next of kin) contact details etc. No wavier or such BS to sign (Swedish legal system won’t let you sue us anyway) and deposit some dough to your account and then you are good to go “The sum of intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing.” - George Bernard Shaw He who dies with the most toys, wins..... dudeist skydiver # 19515 Buy quality and cry once! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #10 June 2, 2009 Waiver, gear check, safety briefing, walk the landing area, learn the landing pattern, view it from the air, jump, have fun..oh yeah...bring some $$$ too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #11 June 2, 2009 QuoteI feel that leg straps are far more important since they help prevent you from falling out of the rig on opening (which happened last year I believe, in Florida). With that, I would believe ALL straps are important... just make sure their all tightened, with excess stowed away. I'm curious as to where these dropzones/boogies are. I've jumped at dropzones in Latvia, Sweden as well as several different dropzones in each of Canada, the US and Australia - sometimes during boogies, camps or other events, and sometimes just visiting as a fun jumper. Everywhere has wanted to see licence, log book, reserve data card for an in-date reserve re-pack. They will often want some kind of proof of insurance.In Australia, I'm required to buy a temporary APF membership to ensure that I have liability insurance while jumping in Australia. There is generally also some kind of registration/waiver to fill out and sign. Some places also do a gear check on top of checking the reserve data card. In terms of your concerns about places that don't do that, I would share your concern and I'm not sure that I would be willing to jump somewhere that didn't want to see at least my licence, logbook and reserve data card before jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #12 June 2, 2009 Quote In terms of your concerns about places that don't do that, I would share your concern and I'm not sure that I would be willing to jump somewhere that didn't want to see at least my licence, logbook and reserve data card before jumping. No Lodi for you. (but that's another thread altogether)."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #13 June 2, 2009 Quote No Lodi for you. (but that's another thread altogether). Really? Oh well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #14 June 3, 2009 Quote Quote No Lodi for you. (but that's another thread altogether). Really? Oh well. Yep. No waiver, no gear checks, no questions. Just buy a ticket and jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 June 3, 2009 Quote Quote Quote No Lodi for you. (but that's another thread altogether). Really? Oh well. Yep. No waiver, no gear checks, no questions. Just buy a ticket and jump. sounds good to me! here, license, insurance, sometimes logbook and reserve-card. waiver annualy for sure too..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
