tasmanianjumper 0 #1 June 29, 2009 Say I was wondering. When I get my A license is it possible to jump anywhere I want to? For example: could I jump out and land on a beach somewhere if I wanted to (instead of an approved DZ)? That would be too big for my britches right now but just wondering for the future. TazTaz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2 June 29, 2009 Yes and no. Search "Bandit Demo" for a lot more info. Basically you need to file a notam with the FAA (the pilot will do that) and get permission from the landowner. Doing it into public property (like a beach) generally attracts the attention of the local law enforcement community. Not usually in a good way. I know guys that jump into birthday parties (their own or friends) and that sort of thing. Illegal? Not if the rules are followed. A good idea? Well, that depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude2000 3 #3 June 29, 2009 Don't you need an EJR, or Exhibition Jump Rating too? Or is that only for certain types of jumps? If I'm not mistaken you need something like 500 jumps to get one.PULL!! or DIE!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #4 June 29, 2009 USPA has the Pro rating for demo jumpers. There are scaling requirements for licenses/Pro ratings for demos depending on where you are jumping and what kind of (and size of) area you are landing in. In the SIM Section 7. Basic bandit demos don't really fall under that."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #5 June 30, 2009 As long as it is not controlled airspace all you need is a NOTAM and the property owner's permission. Like someone else said - it may or may not be a good idea. "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tasmanianjumper 0 #6 July 1, 2009 The Reason being is I am thinking of getting married soon (if the lady still likes me after getting my A license) and I cant think of anything better to do on that day but to say that I am stuck in traffic.. the roads are blocked but I will do what I can, etc.... and then the next thing you know I am overhead and jump in for the wedding... I think that would be too cool. I assume that this fantasy is possibly stereotypical and cliche but I strangely am comfortable with it anyways (I would even do a water landing in the lake) I don't know who controls that? Sounds like a NOTAM and I can jump the lake anytime (for water anytime after by B License that is) :P Thanks! Taz Taz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeQ.Public 0 #7 July 1, 2009 Bad idea on several levels.Very soon, an honest person will not be able to sing the last 2 lines of our National Anthem:::Practice safe dining....use condiments Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #8 July 1, 2009 Quoteand then the next thing you know I am overhead and jump in for the wedding... I don't think you have any concept of the level of skill required to pull off something like that. It's not something that the newly minted A or B licence skydiver is likely to possess. The NOTAM is the least of your worries. There's also liability insurance and a Pro rating that you'll need, not to mention a pilot and plane. Even still, while most demos go off without any major issues, pro rated skydivers with thousands of jumps have screwed up on occasion and taken out people in the crowd, in the military band playing the event and other items and personnel. You crashing into and injuring your waiting guests is not how you or your wife would want people to remember your wedding day, I'm sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #9 July 1, 2009 Quote... and I cant think of anything better WORSE to do on that day... ... I assume that this fantasy is possibly stereotypical and cliche... Thanks! Taz Yeah, it's pretty typical. I have the same daydream. These are fun things to think about, and maybe use as goals for the future. Your enthusiasm is great and I hope you understand I'm not trying to dampen that enthusiasm. BUT... But I have to say this is a really bad idea on a bunch of levels. The surprise thing- She will be stressed out and overloaded, then you pull this. She'll freak. Maybe a lot, maybe a little. You know her, I don't. But it won't be good. Before the ceremony - What if you crash and burn? Whatever isn't broken in the impact will quickly be broken by her for screwing up her wedding. And even if you aren't hurt bad, how will the pictures look with you scraped up? Think more about jumping into the reception. After she hears you say (in front of witnesses) "Obey" and "I do". A guy from my DZ did that a couple years ago. She was ok with it, but only after the ceremony and pictures. She also said she wouldn't go to the hospital until after the party if he got hurt (yes, seriously). From your point of view, you will be overloaded on that day too. Throwing in a highly stressful jump wouldn't be smart. Again, after the ceremony. And then there is your experience. Do you have any off DZ landings yet? I have a few, and they are really different. The visual cues that you are used to aren't there. Even a different DZ is strange to land at, because it's diferent. Do you have any experience evaluating landing areas? Size needed, obstacles, prevailing winds (and how the obstacles are going to create turbulence). And probably a bunch of things that I don't have the experience to know. And there are probably other reasons not to do this that I don't have the experience and knowledge to realize (I know that I don't know what I don't know, I just don't know what those things are - read it a couple times and it will start to make sense) Somewhere on here is a link to a Youtube vid of a jump just like this. The groom and 3 other guys jump into the ceremony... And crash and burn. A broken leg and a couple broken arms/wrists IIRC. I searched around a bit for it, but couldn't find it. Sorry to throw cold water on your idea, it does sound like fun, but the possible downside is just too strong."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,109 #10 July 2, 2009 Very bad idea unless you've done a lot of demos. The biggest single problem in demos is "demo fever." If you were on a regular load, and it was your fifth jump of the day, and you saw what looked like a wall of wind coming in from a few miles away, you probably wouldn't jump. Land with the plane. You'd probably be fine, but why risk it? On the other hand, if that was your WEDDING down there? If your choices were jump or be late to your own wedding? Let everyone down? Prove that skydivers really aren't so brave? You're gonna talk yourself into doing it. That's the #1 reason that people get hurt on demos - they push their own limits because they really, really, really want to do that demo. I jumped into my wedding reception here in CA. I got married in NY and had two receptions - one in NY for the family and one in CA for my skydiver friends. At that time I was on a demo team, and I got $1M worth of demo insurance through our team. Filed a NOTAM, talked to the landowners and the nearest DZ (Elsinore.) We had a ground crew and smoke, and I picked people who had all done tight area demos before. (We were landing in a five-acre field.) Even so, we almost didn't jump. When we got there, we had scattered clouds at 3000 feet, and were close enough to an airport that we had occasional GA traffic. The plan was to go to 13,500, build a round with Amy and I in the center, and take lots of pictures. We would probably have been fine. But still I called it off, and we jumped from 2500 feet where we had a clear view of the airport traffic and were below the clouds. Since we didn't climb, there were no guests there yet, just the first members of our ground crew. We all landed with no problems. That's the sort of stuff that comes up, and you have to be 100% willing to amend or abort the jump to deal with such conditions - and that can be VERY hard to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrcolo 0 #11 July 2, 2009 Quote Basic bandit demos don't really fall under that. Bandit loads rock! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #12 July 4, 2009 http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3219&string=prom%20jump_______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parafoil27 0 #13 July 4, 2009 This would be me if i tried that at my skill level. Enjoy! http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=guestpass&id=01h5y EARTH! Short bus of the universe, since the year T+10.3 billion! REV. DUDEMIESTER D.S.#120 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
