front & back loops?

[heidihagen 0]

i wanted to see what they looked like, so i downloaded this clip: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=1658
it was the only one i could find.

i'm curious about what to expect next weekend. usually i ask... but this one slipped my mind before i left. (...not that i can't wait a few days, but still!)

it looks like to initiate a front loop, he brought his knees to his chest at exit. after getting into the boxman again to get stable.... he does the same thing, but goes backwords instead.

do leg muscles send you backwords and arm muscles forwards? loops were the only thing i wasn't able to practice in the tunnel... and tracking.

edit/add: also, how do you check your altitude when you track? just curious.

i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce

[AggieDave 6]

Firstly, the obvious, check with Todd and Mark anything that you read here or elsewhere.

Now, a frontloop, think about pushing your head down like you wanted to do one off the high dive. You know what I'm talking about, I'm sure you tried to do one as a kid. With the back loop, its just the opposite, throw your head back and pull your feet and knees up. BAM, your flips will be done.
Obviously to stop the loops, you go back to a neutral body position with a nice relaxed arch.

At first, when you track, we'll have you count to 5 seconds. After that you'll learn the times needed to track for the right altitude. Other then that, you can rotate your wrist and see your altimeter.

See you this weekend.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[heidihagen 0]

wahoo--fast response!!! yeah, i usually do. i just forgot by the time i left sunday (after asking a million others...) and was starting to get curious. i just watched the clip again tho-- it is his head that makes the difference!
i swam foreverrrrrrrr but never did flips off the diving board (or trampoline). so i was starting to wonder about this one, especially because i couldn't see what he was doing to make the difference in direction.
cool, thanks

i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce

[kelpdiver 2]

the backflips seem to come easily enough, but I tended to pull out early on the front loops into a sit/stand position. Interesting, but that will have to wait a bit.

Are they scoring you on form, or just the ability to recover?

[mnealtx 0]

My instructor told me sort of the same thing....

Back flip - pull my legs in

Front flip - take a big bow

It worked fine for me!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I instruct my students that it's exactly like flipping over IN a swimming pool from the face-down-floating position.

[bodypilot1 0]

Heidi

Dont sweat the loops. They are easier then you think. The Instructor doesn't really care how they look, or if you get all the way over, they just want to see you get unstable and see if you can recover to a stable belly to earth position in a satisfactory altitude.

The back loop is easier then the front though, as the back of your legs on the front loop will catch the air and not let you flip all the way over so keep them tucked alittle longer.
100% of all my 2000+ students have landed on the ground, with a BIG smile on their face, and said, "That was so easy! I dont know why I was worrying about doing those so much!"


Have fun!

Ed

www.WestCoastWingsuits.com
www.PrecisionSkydiving.com

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My instructor told me sort of the same thing....

Back flip - pull my legs in

Front flip - take a big bow

It worked fine for me!

This is how I was taught. But... I have alway had trouble with the back loops. For some reason I usually end up rolling out to one side and going unstable. I also have some trouble pulling my knees in to get it started. Somebody mentioned that grabbing your knees would help. Additionally, make sure to arch your head back, it seems like that's important.

It's ironic that I have so much trouble with back loops, because with the five hours I have in the tunnel, I can do half flips backwards from belly to back and forwards from back to belly, really well pivoting right at my hips.

Front loops on the other hand, I can do well. Its awesome when I stop right on mark, level and quick.

Cheers

[JeepDiver 0]

Heidi

I've always liked this vid.

http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1505

[adamsr 0]

it can be confusing because the movement looks the same, but it's not just your legs that initiate the movement.

I use to do trmpolining when i was younger, and although you dont have 120mph of wind like in skydiving, the basic principles are the same.

Frontloops ire initiated mainly by throwing the upper body forwards, whereas backloops are done by throwing your upper body backwards, and kicking you legs forward and up. most of the movement for both is created by your upper body.

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I've always liked this vid.

http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=1505

Clicky

[heidihagen 0]

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it can be confusing because the movement looks the same, but it's not just your legs that initiate the movement.

yeah, that's exactly what i meant. this will be my first jump where i have to lose the trusty arch on purpose. p-chipping hasn't been a problem, but it looks like everyone potato chips a little after coming out of them (on the videos i saw anyway). thanks for the responses!
...i'll have to remember "take a big bow"... i like that!

i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce

[yarpos 4]

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I had the same trouble with back loops. I am tall and had trouble getting enough rotation happening. In the end it was lack of effort with pushing my torso and head back, I was focussing to much on my legs thinking that was it. Usually just sat me up and then rolled off. Think of your legs as an assist to the main movement generated in your body.

good luck

Steve

regards, Steve
the older I get...the better I was

[mnealtx 0]

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it can be confusing because the movement looks the same, but it's not just your legs that initiate the movement.

yeah, that's exactly what i meant. this will be my first jump where i have to lose the trusty arch on purpose. p-chipping hasn't been a problem, but it looks like everyone potato chips a little after coming out of them (on the videos i saw anyway). thanks for the responses!
...i'll have to remember "take a big bow"... i like that!

Heidi - you're gonna love it... have fun!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Dude! D 373? Is that right? You must have been around a while

I glad to report, that on one of my recent jumps I finally got back loops down
Also, from my tunnel I can do half loops well. I decided to try fliping to my back, stablize then move my hands to my sides, like in a back track, and arch my back real hard. When I tried that, I kinda swooped backwards in a curving arc all the way back to my belly. It was awesome

Cheers