relative proximity and deployment

[wmw999 2,556]

Most of the hybrids I've seen have had a lot more belly than freefliers. Not to mention that if the OP really has fewer than 100 jumps, bigways with large differences in relative altitude probably aren't a great idea anyway.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[BDashe 0]

I feel like this thread should be split into 2 seperate threads. new jumpers could start to confuse belly rules with freefly. You guys are completely correct when it comes to belly ways. And you are correct, hybrids are belly skydives until they go vertical, BUT THEY DO GO VERTICAL. It is a great way to combine freefliers and belly fliers, or even get low time jumpers in on a more advanced skydive with high time jumpers. may not be the BEST idea, but it happens, semi-frequently. often, hybrids go vertical towards the bottom end of the jump and levels get f*cked up, this is probably what the OP is talking about.

On vertical skydives, especially when learning, levels get broken up. the most important skill, IMO, to learn while freeflying is back flying. levels are reduced when corking to back vs. belly, i can fall @ 200 mph on my back, in control. I can fall at 110 mph on my back, in control. That speed variation is needed in vertical flight.

Vertical break offs are completely different than belly-only. Bill is right, back flying/tracking can kill on big way belly. the exact same skill saves lives on ANY vertical skydive. The OP seems to me to be asking about what to do on a skydive that is vertical when it goes bad- WHICH HAPPENS when you learn to freefly. for vertical flight and vertical break offs: backflying, back tracking, and barrel rolls are vital skills to have, period.

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

[NWFlyer 2]

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And you are correct, hybrids are belly skydives until they go vertical, BUT THEY DO GO VERTICAL.

And when they go to shit (which is what we're talking about here) they are belly jumps again.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[BDashe 0]

Great! I'm not talking about 10,000 ft, im talking about break off. Maybe that can be a third thread- hybrid rules. I've heard multiple theories on hybrids and hybrid cluster f*cks, many contradicting. The OP is asking about vertical break offs while on different levels, I'm addressing vertical break offs while on different levels, that's it. I don't care how you get in that situation, these are tools that can be used if put in a funky scenario like that. There are more factors that lead up to varying levels on these jumps that others have addressed.

You're on a vertical skydive, at break off, on 2+ levels. I suggest to have a few of these tools in your tool box. They've saved my ass, i've seen other asses saved using them. BUT, who the hell am I? At the end of the day- f*ck me, f*ck bill, f*ck wendy, f*ck you, f*ck everybody- ask your local 'pro' who knows more than all of us on the subject.

Be safe,

Brett

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983

[Misternatural 0]

One thing I know for sure...... is that there is a hell of a lot of convoluted complex shit that has to happen within 8 seconds for people to make it to beer time.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Sometimes especially for low time jumpers like myself, during freefly or hybrid attempts, the plan and subsequent formation falls apart and jumpers end up not being at the same altitude because of different fall rates, or corking, or body position.

it is easy to loose sight of people in this situation.

How do we reduce the dangers of a collision with this scenario at deployment time,

Don't jump with more than one person when that person is likely to have a fall rate, corking, or body position. If a jump has grown too big with questionable or unknown people get it split into separate groups - you'll have both increased safety and fun.

[Misternatural 0]

Yep
A wise man recently told me- The faster you want to go, the smaller the steps you should take.

true that

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