Different types of exits

[Ketia0 0]

I did a search and couldnt find a post that goes along this...

What are the different types of exits you can do, and briefly describe them please...

I.E. A funnel exit. ( lay on back with legs raised up. Have partner put his ankles by your head. Then he dives out, and you follow out. ( p.s. you at the very edge of the plane))

any other ideas..

I would like to get a nice list going of different types of exits to preform and also for new peoples.

Thanks

"In this game you can't predict the future. You just have to play the odds. "-JohnMitchell

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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I.E. A funnel exit.

Didn't know there was a specific technique for that one.
Seriously I think the one you describe is usually referred to as a tube or wagon wheel.

[GLIDEANGLE 1]

There are LOTS:

Here is one... "Safe Sex"

One person faces inside of plane with back to door and butt low (I can't recollect if they are sitting on the floor or crouching). Other jumper sits face to face on the first jumper's lap with legs spread to each side of the first jumper (hence the name). Second jumper takes grips on first jumper's harness. Launch is to simply tip the chunk out the door without regard to the appearent wind.

There are lots of others. Some work better in one aircraft configuration or another (C-182/206 vs. Otter/Caravan vs. tailgate).

Of course all the 4-way randoms & blocks can be launched as exits too.

The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others!

[davelepka 4]

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lay on back with legs raised up

Don't lay on your back. Your pins and PC handle are back there, and last thing you should do is grind them into the floor of the plane right before you jump.

Stand up and exit like an evolved human.

[davelepka 4]

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Second jumper takes grips on first jumper's harness

Your harness is there to keep your rig on, and so you have a place to keep your handles. Avoid letting others grab your harness, and keep your hands to yourself with regards to other people's harnesses.

Grippers are for gripping. Use them.

[davelepka 4]

If you're looking for exit ideas, have a look at the number of exit slots on a given plane. Front float, center, rear float, camera step, diving from the door, etc. Now learn to exit RW stable from each slot.

Once you have that covered, learn to do them all in a sit. Then in a stand up. Then on your head.

That should keep you busy for 100 jumps.

[davelepka 4]

OK, one last word on exits - taking grips in the door is cheating. Learn to do it without grips, and once you can fly tight, no contact exits right off the plane, you'll be able to pick up the grips pull off the pieces with no trouble.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Or we could exit how we want and have fun. Like evolved humans.

Personally im a fan of the simple back to relative wind and do a slow gainer watching plane fly away.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Sangi 0]

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Or we could exit how we want and have fun. Like evolved humans.

Personally im a fan of the simple back to relative wind and do a slow gainer watching plane fly away.

+1

"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean

[lippy 918]

There's the inadvertent ejection seat exit

I got nuthin

[davelepka 4]

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Or we could exit how we want and have fun

Of course. Just don't drag your pins/PC handle across the floor/edge of the door while doing it. If you dislodge something in the door it won't be fun for you, or anyone else in the plane.

[Chubba 0]

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Your harness is there to keep your rig on, and so you have a place to keep your handles. Avoid letting others grab your harness, and keep your hands to yourself with regards to other people's harnesses.

Grippers are for gripping. Use them.

+1

I don't let anyone grab me anywhere besides my jumpsuit/grippers or limbs.

I often have to tell very experienced jumpers that want to grab my cheststrap or harness during an exit to kindly change grips... they do not like that and sometimes I make enemies... but no, you're hands are going NOWHERE near my handles.

[Andy_Copland 0]

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Or we could exit how we want and have fun

Of course. Just don't drag your pins/PC handle across the floor/edge of the door while doing it. If you dislodge something in the door it won't be fun for you, or anyone else in the plane.

Of the millions of jumps done how many deaths have been a direct result of these types of exits compared to say swooping? Yea, just start a wicked fast low turn, if you misjudge it then it wont be fun for you blah blah.

Everything in skydiving can either be done safely or stupidly, if you wanna drag arse in the plane be sure to do it carefully.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[davelepka 4]

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Of the millions of jumps done how many deaths have been a direct result of these types of exits compared to say swooping

You have missed the point by a mile. I don't care if you want to swoop yourself right into the ground, but if you were trying to do it in the middle of a busy landing pattern, I would take issue with that,

Likewise, everything you do in the plane has a direct result on the safety of everyone else in the plane, not just yourself. As such, it's not just your choice if you want to act in an unsafe manner for no good reason.

What to pull a two person tube out of the door? Gte the skills to fly it off the plane instead of rolling it off the floor. A tube is just a closed freefly compressed accordian. Pull the acordian off the door and pick up the grip.

I don't give two shits about your personal freedoms when there's chance they will impact my own safety, and that of the other jumpers, pilot, aircraft, and DZ. There's no way to 'be careful' about grinding your pins in to the floor, and dragging your PC handle across the floor and door frame.

[Andy_Copland 0]

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Of the millions of jumps done how many deaths have been a direct result of these types of exits compared to say swooping

You have missed the point by a mile. I don't care if you want to swoop yourself right into the ground, but if you were trying to do it in the middle of a busy landing pattern, I would take issue with that,

Likewise, everything you do in the plane has a direct result on the safety of everyone else in the plane, not just yourself. As such, it's not just your choice if you want to act in an unsafe manner for no good reason.

What to pull a two person tube out of the door? Gte the skills to fly it off the plane instead of rolling it off the floor. A tube is just a closed freefly compressed accordian. Pull the acordian off the door and pick up the grip.

I don't give two shits about your personal freedoms when there's chance they will impact my own safety, and that of the other jumpers, pilot, aircraft, and DZ. There's no way to 'be careful' about grinding your pins in to the floor, and dragging your PC handle across the floor and door frame.

So again, how many deaths have occurred as a direct result of it? Mountain out of a mole hill maybe? Knee jerk reaction?

I'm not even a fan of tube exits, but when a guy doing his 100th wants one done and asks, im sure as fuck gonna do it.

Then again im just not a fan of red tape.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[davelepka 4]

Oh, that makes me feel better. So when a guy with 100 jumps wants to do something that's ill advised, you're going to ignore that, and just do whatever he wants. How about educate him about the risks, and advise doing something else?

How many deaths? I don't know, but I sure as hell don't want to be anywhere nearby when one (or more) happens.

Have given any consideration to your stuff coming out in the door? I know that after you pack, your rig seems like a pretty solid item, but remember that it's not. Once you put your full weight on the rig, canopies compress, flaps can distort and go slack, and tension on the closing loop will lessen. On top of that, the entire back of the rig is now in contact with the floor.

I'm not fan of red tape either, but I'm also not a fan of being a dumbass. I'm not suggesting that you should fill out a form and pass the scrutiny of a review board before exiting, I'm suggesting that you be careful when in the door, and avoid doing things that your rig was not designed for and could cause a premature deployment.

[Andy_Copland 0]

I have an old 1 pin BASE container, when im done packing the pin in the centre of the rig causes it to "pinch" the packjob no matter how neat you try to be. At that point i throw it down and get my knees into it bending and shaping it. What im saying is rigs are more durable than most think and can take a bit of a beating.

I worry more about the person just off AFF, gets an old beat up rig and goes freeflying. Thats when i give the red tape speech. Sure funky exits are not the most sensible thing to do, but if done on the rare occasion with care and attention i aint too worried about it.

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[Baksteen 84]

When exiting from a 182:

Climb on the step, keep your body rigid and just let go. You'll be doing backflips like mad....

"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport."
~mom

[Ketia0 0]

and the whole point of this thread just went to crap!

The only exit talked about on here is the one i came up with!!

Im trying to learn about cool/new/fun/exciting exits i can do...

and get a list of them for others who want to learn about different exits.

"In this game you can't predict the future. You just have to play the odds. "-JohnMitchell

[lost_n_confuzd 0]

Andy, his warning was a result of the OP posting "lay on back with legs raised up." Which, by the way it was said, does seem like a pretty unsafe thing. I mean, flaps and pins all grinding on the deck and shit, just sayin'.

Anyways, moving on, my last jump was a sit exit. Held it pretty good for about 10 seconds then ended up on my ass

[davelepka 4]

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I have an old 1 pin BASE container, when im done packing the pin in the centre of the rig causes it to "pinch" the packjob no matter how neat you try to be. At that point i throw it down and get my knees into it bending and shaping it.

And then you jump it without ever taking a look at the pin/bridle/PC, right?

That's what happens when you lay on top of your rig in the door, then drag it across the floor and door frame on exit.

But no, you check all that stuff, multiple times before you jump. And if one of your jackass BASE buddies wanted to wrestle around with you at an exit point while you had your rig on, you'd check all that stuff again before you left.

This isn't BASE jumping were talking about. It's skydiving, and there are other people you put at risk with your actions in and around the aircraft.

The truth is that a guy wanting to freefly in a older container is only a risk to himself, and those who choose to jump with him. A guy who takes un-needed risks in the door is a danger to others on the aircraft and the aircraft itself.

It's clear we have a difference of opinion here. I would suggest that given my longevity and experience in the sport, I may have a valid thought or two regarding prudent safety practices, and what is or is not a good idea.

I would also suggest that with your limted time and experience in the sport, that you may still have a few things to learn, and a few viewpoints that need 'adjusting'.

Hell, I know a guy who tied a pull up cord around his lines while packing his BASE rig, and then forgot to take the pull up cord off before he jumped the rig. This guy thought he knew what he was doing, and thought the pull up cord was the way to go when packing his BASE rig.

The guy survived the jump, and actually walked away from it. Needless to say, he doesn't tie pull up cords around his lines anymore, and has gone on to do may BASE jumps over the course of many years without the need for a pull up cord around the lines during the pack job.

See? He tought he knew what he was doing, and almost killed himself in the process. He lucked out, and came to the realization that he was wrong right from the start.

[Andy_Copland 0]

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I have an old 1 pin BASE container, when im done packing the pin in the centre of the rig causes it to "pinch" the packjob no matter how neat you try to be. At that point i throw it down and get my knees into it bending and shaping it.

And then you jump it without ever taking a look at the pin/bridle/PC, right?

That's what happens when you lay on top of your rig in the door, then drag it across the floor and door frame on exit.

But no, you check all that stuff, multiple times before you jump. And if one of your jackass BASE buddies wanted to wrestle around with you at an exit point while you had your rig on, you'd check all that stuff again before you left.

This isn't BASE jumping were talking about. It's skydiving, and there are other people you put at risk with your actions in and around the aircraft.

The truth is that a guy wanting to freefly in a older container is only a risk to himself, and those who choose to jump with him. A guy who takes un-needed risks in the door is a danger to others on the aircraft and the aircraft itself.

It's clear we have a difference of opinion here. I would suggest that given my longevity and experience in the sport, I may have a valid thought or two regarding prudent safety practices, and what is or is not a good idea.

I would also suggest that with your limted time and experience in the sport, that you may still have a few things to learn, and a few viewpoints that need 'adjusting'.

Hell, I know a guy who tied a pull up cord around his lines while packing his BASE rig, and then forgot to take the pull up cord off before he jumped the rig. This guy thought he knew what he was doing, and thought the pull up cord was the way to go when packing his BASE rig.

The guy survived the jump, and actually walked away from it. Needless to say, he doesn't tie pull up cords around his lines anymore, and has gone on to do may BASE jumps over the course of many years without the need for a pull up cord around the lines during the pack job.

See? He tought he knew what he was doing, and almost killed himself in the process. He lucked out, and came to the realization that he was wrong right from the start.

A guy having a premature isn't a risk to others around him? Really? C'mon you know that isn't true. Even the ones who didn't choose to jump with him if the people behind dont give enough separation that is.

As for experience in this sport, lets just say i've seen enough "experienced" people who dont know dick about gravity sports. That isn't a pop at you, your advice is always sound although it can come across as rude and lecturing.

I can't imagine too many people have tied pull up cords around their lines and jumped them living to tell the tale. If its the same guy i jump with i'll be sure to make more fun of him for it again, its been a while.

I'll agree that a premature while crawling around is a bad thing, infact it could turn out quite catastrophic. Its just the odds of it happening are slim hence whens the last fatality you heard from one and how many do you think get done? Same time i've seen peoples drogues fall on the floor and that scares the crap out of me.

And yes, gear checks are important and handles/PC's/Pins should all be protected while executing such things.

Lets not suck all the fun out of jumping

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[davelepka 4]

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i've seen enough "experienced" people who dont know dick about gravity sports.

Just to be clear, we're not talking about 'gravity sports', we're talking about skydiving, and more specifically aircraft operations which is what seperates skydiving from other gravity sports.

For every 'experienced' person you've see who doesn't know dick about gravity sports, I've seen 20 who think that they're knowledge or experience in other sports somehow translates into knowledge or experience in skydiving. Just because you may be a sweet BASE jumper, you still have alot to learn about skydiving, and you would be wise to remember that.

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your advice is always sound although it can come across as rude and lecturing.

My adivce is not here to make you feel good. My advice is here to make sure that whoever reads this undertsands the full scope of the situation, and can then make informed decisions about what they choose to do or not do.

I write in such a way that even the newest student can understand what I'm saying. I don't assume that the reader knows anything beforehand, so nobody gets left behind.

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Lets not suck all the fun out of jumping

People dying and planes crashing is what sucks the fun out of jumping. Not rolling a tube out of the door shoud hardly be the lynch pin in your thoughts regarding how fun, or not fun, skydiving may be.

[Andy_Copland 0]

Psshhh, i know everything.

Im done. We obviously wont come to any agreement. I'll be careful of those planes falling out the sky due to tube exits though. I mean now i think about it, you're right, infact those tube exits put children and ice cream vendors in peril, what if a downed aircraft lands on a nice suburban neighbourhood?

Later

1338

People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

[kuai43 7]

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Lets not suck all the fun out of jumping

Yikes. Well, now that all the fun-sucking and chest-bumping is over, how about a few of my favorite exits.... all of them standing and solo, so you don't have to get anyone flustered.

Otter:
- dive straight out into a corkscrew, hands over your head, give yourself a quick twist along your body's axis, keeping yourself as straight as possible, just like a slug out of a rifled barrel - hold as long as you can. If you keep your arms and legs slightly offset, you can hold this 5-6 rotations.

- dive straight out into a front tuck, also hold as long as you can. Consider this one a solo tube.

Tailgate - CASA/Skyvan:
- run straight off the ramp into a front pike bending at the waist, keep legs straight, arms straight out to the sides, take it one or two rotations right into a belly track or a sit. Great views of the aircraft during rotations.

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