DesertDevil 1 #1 February 21, 2010 How many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 February 21, 2010 I have, and probably will again. It depends on what the demo is for. Charity sometimes gets freebees, and I don't think it affects the safety of my demos.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #3 February 21, 2010 QuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? Lots of local demos are unpaid. The only ones I got paid for were for certain events in the big city. The ones I did for free were the airshows and local high school games. The one big payout was taking a demo team to Michigan (2 of us were from AL, 1 from SC and the 4th from MD). I had a contract with the event organizers that they pay each of us $250 for travel expenses (we all had to fly commercially to get there), and an extra $250 each if we made the jump. It was for a deaf school's 150th anniversary. The winds were honking all day and our practice jump at the DZ didn't exactly go well, so when the time came to decide to go or not go, we called in the wind report. 1 mph over the recommended limit for demos. I called it off. Three of us could have made the jump, but not the other one, who had a classic accuracy canopy loaded about .75 to 1, and the jump was in the middle of a city. That said, most demos are local. I'll do them for free because its a thrill to perform for a crowd."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #4 February 21, 2010 QuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I think you should clarify your question a bit... It's like asking if there is a difference between a Caddy & a Corolla when getting a free ride home from the airport. ~There is a difference, but either one works. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #5 February 21, 2010 Quote That said, most demos are local. I'll do them for free because its a thrill to perform for a crowd. Maybe most of YOUR demos are local... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #6 February 21, 2010 Quote Quote That said, most demos are local. I'll do them for free because its a thrill to perform for a crowd. Maybe most of YOUR demos are local... Of course they are. Aren't there just a handful of demo teams (non military) that travel the nation? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #7 February 21, 2010 QuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I would not think a non paying demo would get the extras like smoke or pyrotechnics or any other cost incurring extras, except maybe a flag, mascot suit or something like that if they supply it. So you could say the quality may not be as good from that aspect. The paying demos would get the smoke, extra altitude, canopy stacks, down planes etc. In addition to what Billy said, The money should not have anything to do with the safety of the jump, it is the the element that we have to stay on top of, demo or not.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 February 21, 2010 Quote Quote How many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I would not think a non paying demo would get the extras like smoke or pyrotechnics or any other cost incurring extras, except maybe a flag, mascot suit or something like that if they supply it. So you could say the quality may not be as good from that aspect. The paying demos would get the smoke, extra altitude, canopy stacks, down planes etc. In addition to what Billy said, The money should not have anything to do with the safety of the jump, it is the the element that we have to stay on top of, demo or not. As was mentioned above, many demo jumpers will do a freebie for a good cause... The cost incurred has to do some what with the 'extras', smoke, pyro, etc. & someone is paying for the fuel and aircraft hours. Insurance is usually an important factor that isn't free and as a paid 'Professional' demonstration jumper there isn't ANY demo I would do without coverage...to do so in today's suit happy society says one of two things about a jumper ~ either they don't have anything to lose or they are stoooopid. That being said there isn't any shortage of people that will make a demo jump for the ego boost as pay, many times said people aren't really qualified to perform demos but do 'em anyway...so there IS a question of quality & safety with a 'free' demo. The reason I asked the OP to clarify the question is for that very reason. I once had an event organizer scratch on a contract because he was told the local boyz would do it for free. He contracted me for the following year after he was 'unsatisfied' with the performance and conduct of the group of skydivers he got for free. On the other hand, I recommended a DZO to a prospective client because the event was literally almost in the dropzones back yard, and I'd worked with the people that would be making the jump, very professional. I could have made a few bucks jumping the event but made some good will instead passing it on...dz did it cheaper because of less logistics and used the event to market tandems, show got a basic performance for bottom dollar...win-win. Have I 'donated' my services on demos? Yes, when the situation is favorable to do so... No if it's going to cost me time & money beyond what's justifable-and it gets harder to justify working for free more & more these dayz. ~An ole demo jumper mentor told me 30 years ago... "If ya do parachute demonstration jumps for nothing, then your worth nothing as a professional jumper" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #9 February 21, 2010 Ah yes, I should clarify my statements about doing free demos. All but one of the demos I've done, I jumped at my S&TA's invitation and she handled all the paperwork, insurance, contracts, etc. She did charge clients for the cost of insurance, fuel, etc of course, but we didn't take any pay home with us for our jumps, and she said that up front. The ones I got paid for, I wasn't expecting it or didn't ask, but it was nice. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #10 February 21, 2010 Ooopps! I did forget to mention the insurance. I almost always require it.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 February 21, 2010 Quote Have I 'donated' my services on demos? Yes, when the situation is favorable to do so... I can think of one such situation....it cost more than a few bucks to get there and do the jump but I think both of us on the list for the next time they do it. Its funny how conducting yourself in a professional manner year after year can open doors when you least expect it. Sparky Like I said that day, Thanks Jim.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #12 February 21, 2010 The Century Of Flight Celebration at Kitty Hawk. Sometimes ya get paid with something worth a lot more than money...the memories are priceless my friend! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #13 February 21, 2010 Some demos are priceless and you feel fortunate to do them.Other times i get a bad attitude and say "fuck them"...they can come to the dz if they want to see me flare. Money should never be a factor for quality and safety. It should be the last thing on your mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjm 0 #14 February 22, 2010 QuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I have never been paid. We just do them for cost. The Demos we do around here are not typically big events and its hard to ask for to much more than the cost to do the demo.If you're not living on the edge; you're taking up too much room! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #15 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I have never been paid. We just do them for cost. The Demos we do around here are not typically big events and its hard to ask for to much more than the cost to do the demo. Until something goes wrong and someone cuts away a $2000 main never to be seen again. Every time you do a demo for “nothing” you are telling the client that is what you feel your services are worth. Two of the hardest things to learn as a demo jumper are to charge fees that reflect the value of services offered and when to say no. And the no can be for safety, financial reasons or a combination of both. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #16 February 22, 2010 Our club is paid for demos, handsomely. We have a number of qualified people (as measured in experience and skills, there is no Pro Rating in Holland) who end up doing most of them. We do not get paid, period. We actually used to get paid and just donated the money back into the club; later it was decided there would simply be no pay (to the individual jumpers). It's a way of paying back, and forward, and of making the club money it *needs* because of no tandems (it's a long, and continuing, story). My other home DZ pays one free jump for every demo jumper. But they are not a club. The highest profile demo jump in the Netherlands, we actually *pay for*. The DoD provides a Fokker or Herc and we jump into the stadium for the opening ceremony of the Vierdaagse van Nijmegen (silly people getting up before dawn to walk 30 miles. for four days). We pay the demo jump organisation 5 bucks for the organising; they use that money to buy the aircraft crew booze. Everybody is happy about this way of doing this, including the aircraft crew. In general, jumping demos means you "just" have to jump (and not f*ck up); organisation is taken care of. And "pay" is expressed in other than monetary considerations. I love doing demos. I will take time off work, run the risk of having to cut away or be injured (though I am insured for that!), and travel on my own dime (within the country - never more than ~100 miles) to do demos. But it's a hobby, I'm not a professional, if it costs money that's OK. As I said, I get something other than money out of it. All of the above does not mean any demo is my jump; it's always always always the audience's. But it's just about the only way of performing before an audience short of competitive swooping or accuracy. If you *like* to hold 10 000 (stadium) or 100 000 (airfield) people in awe, this is my way to do it. And they get to look at *what I do*, not at *me*. I prefer it that way, I don't want my head on television. Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #17 February 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteI have never been paid. We just do them for cost. The Demos we do around here are not typically big events and its hard to ask for too much more than the cost to do the demo. Until something goes wrong and someone cuts away a $2000 main never to be seen again. Every time you do a demo for “nothing” you are telling the client that is what you feel your services are worth. Two of the hardest things to learn as a demo jumper are to charge fees that reflect the value of services offered and when to say no. And the no can be for safety, financial reasons or a combination of both. The demos our club (mentioned above) does are not typically big events either. Like I said, the event pays handsomely for the demo. For certain charitable events, we do provide free demos, but as a rule, demos cost. As they should. We might do more demos if we gave them away, but we still do a fair number of them. Events are prepared to pay, they may try to get you on the cheap but mostly, they will pay if you simply set a price and stick to it.Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #18 February 22, 2010 Quote Events are prepared to pay, they may try to get you on the cheap but mostly, they will pay if you simply set a price and stick to it. I did my first demo with 22 jumps, no license or 'experience', burning smoke on two brackets flying a PC into a stadium when I was 18 years old...I got DEMO hooked. I've done small 'bandit' jumps into parties, no pay demos for good will, low pay demos that went to the club for aircraft annuals and large venue demos into airshows, state fairs, auto racing events, rock concerts, MLB & NFL events... What trained me for the large venue stuff was doing LOTS of the smaller no/low paying ones...what GOT me work in the large venue area was learning to to CHARGE a price that promoters of events like that understand is needed to pay, in order to get a 'top of the line' performance. We skydivers as a rule under value services because we enjoy doing demos. From a business standpoint it's almost funny because we kinda got a 'corner on the market', if we as a group could work together...I mean there are only so many demo jumpers around, if we could 'set' a fair average price and get the customers use to paying it...we'd REALLY have some fun! As it stands, it's just as easy to lose a contract for charging too little as it is when ya charge too much. Time doing it & reputation counts for something obviously, but I've gotten contracts that were bid, easily 4 or 5 times higher than a DZ team quoted. Heck... a couple years ago the big cheese @ Giant Stadium sent me a note with his contract and check, something about not even considering a team that wanted the 3 man, one jump gig for 25% of what I charged him. He called them 'part-timers', "obviously they're not 'good' enough to do it for a living and he doesn't pay for 'amateurs' to have fun." In our little circle, for a fairly simple stadium / flag jump like this, either team could competently complete what was requested ... the only REAL difference between me & them is, I CHARGE WHAT I'M WORTH ! "if ya do it for only two bits, then that's what they think what you're giving 'em is worth!!" ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #19 February 22, 2010 Done lots of free ones and a few where I made a lot of money. When it's a demo into a wide open field near the DZ, you don't need insurance, there are no paying clients, the owner of the field is a skydiver/pilot etc then it can be fun. When it's a paid event and you have to perform, you need insurance, you need to have pilots on standby etc charge what it's worth. Even if that's a quarter million. One warning about this. Low timer demos (i.e. the typical "free" demos) will bring out the absolute worst in people. Jumpers who have never had a problem hitting a target before will land in trees. Jumpers with excellent judgment will get out in solid clouds. Jumpers who have always stood up their landings will hit hard and need help getting to the car (who then takes them to the hospital.) Jumpers who have spotted loads into tiny windy DZ's will be off by miles. Jumpers who aren't showoffs will try to swoop a foot away from spectators. That's not to say that you should avoid such demos - but you should absolutely choose such demos so that the above antics will not result in a serious injury or fatality. In other words, if it's tight, or the winds are odd, or the spot will be critical, get the professionals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #20 February 22, 2010 Then again, raising my price fourfold isn't going to make *me* any better. Actually, I *am* not doing this for a living, and in this country, I never could. The market is simply too small to support full pro demo jumpers, even if some professional skydivers (ie freelance tandem instructors) also do demos.Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertDevil 1 #21 February 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I think you should clarify your question a bit... It's like asking if there is a difference between a Caddy & a Corolla when getting a free ride home from the airport. A few years back I did a paid demo for somebody. The next year he asked me again to do it. I asked him to pay me the same price he paid me before, and he agreed. The day before the jump, he found someone to do it for free. The jump was into a small football game on a huge field. The jumper actually hit the spectator seats and broke some of his bones. Is there a relationship between the quality/safety of this jump and money? It seems like a lot of jumpers/dzos who organize demos don't want to pay for the demo. I don't do free demos because I spent a lot of money on my demo equipment. If I'm jumping in the middle of downtown, I'm not just going to jump. I practice and carefully scope out the landing area--all of which takes time and money out of my pocket. I do all I can to make it 100% right, but there's someone who will always come up and say they'll do it for free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #22 February 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I think you should clarify your question a bit... It's like asking if there is a difference between a Caddy & a Corolla when getting a free ride home from the airport. A few years back I did a paid demo for somebody. The next year he asked me again to do it. I asked him to pay me the same price he paid me before, and he agreed. The day before the jump, he found someone to do it for free. The jump was into a small football game on a huge field. The jumper actually hit the spectator seats and broke some of his bones. Is there a relationship between the quality/safety of this jump and money? It seems like a lot of jumpers/dzos who organize demos don't want to pay for the demo. I don't do free demos because I spent a lot of money on my demo equipment. If I'm jumping in the middle of downtown, I'm not just going to jump. I practice and carefully scope out the landing area--all of which takes time and money out of my pocket. I do all I can to make it 100% right, but there's someone who will always come up and say they'll do it for free. So true. There has never been a demo that I didn't do without first doing at least one rehearsal jump for, except for the wide open air show jumps where the LZs are at least as big as what I'm used to landing on at the DZ."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #23 February 23, 2010 QuoteOne warning about this. Low timer demos (i.e. the typical "free" demos) will bring out the absolute worst in people. Jumpers who have never had a problem hitting a target before will land in trees. Jumpers with excellent judgment will get out in solid clouds. Jumpers who have always stood up their landings will hit hard and need help getting to the car (who then takes them to the hospital.) Jumpers who have spotted loads into tiny windy DZ's will be off by miles. Jumpers who aren't showoffs will try to swoop a foot away from spectators. That's not to say that you should avoid such demos - but you should absolutely choose such demos so that the above antics will not result in a serious injury or fatality. In other words, if it's tight, or the winds are odd, or the spot will be critical, get the professionals. I have seen this type of scenario played out way too many times and have probably been guiltily of it myself at one time or another. By the very nature of what we do, skydivers have a pretty big ego and believe they can pull off anything. Without this aspect of their nature the fatality rate would be single digit every year. It takes time and experience to learn everything involved in doing a demo safely. One of the hardest parts is to learn yourself and recognize you own limitations. Like so many other things in skydiving the best way to learn is to start small, small demo large target, and enlist the advice of an experienced demo jumper. I had the good fortune of learning from a guy named Pat Moorehead. That was the original reason behind the requirement to have demos approved by an S&TA or RD. A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DesertDevil 1 #24 February 23, 2010 A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #25 February 24, 2010 Quote A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. And in that light, I don't even log demo jumps as skydives. . . because they're NOT. I keep a separate log 'type' book, with many more facts pertaining to the jump...for one, who knows I might write a book on doing demos someday ~ and secondly, performing is a business and every successful business keeps good records...did ya know repacks are a deduction! ~thanks for the clarification DesertDevil, I kinda wondered if it wasn't something like that- . . .the promoter found out why a professional gets paid for his service and someone who jumps demos for free, is usually over paid! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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BillyVance 35 #22 February 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow many people do demos without getting paid? Does money make a difference in the quality and safety of a demo jump? I think you should clarify your question a bit... It's like asking if there is a difference between a Caddy & a Corolla when getting a free ride home from the airport. A few years back I did a paid demo for somebody. The next year he asked me again to do it. I asked him to pay me the same price he paid me before, and he agreed. The day before the jump, he found someone to do it for free. The jump was into a small football game on a huge field. The jumper actually hit the spectator seats and broke some of his bones. Is there a relationship between the quality/safety of this jump and money? It seems like a lot of jumpers/dzos who organize demos don't want to pay for the demo. I don't do free demos because I spent a lot of money on my demo equipment. If I'm jumping in the middle of downtown, I'm not just going to jump. I practice and carefully scope out the landing area--all of which takes time and money out of my pocket. I do all I can to make it 100% right, but there's someone who will always come up and say they'll do it for free. So true. There has never been a demo that I didn't do without first doing at least one rehearsal jump for, except for the wide open air show jumps where the LZs are at least as big as what I'm used to landing on at the DZ."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #23 February 23, 2010 QuoteOne warning about this. Low timer demos (i.e. the typical "free" demos) will bring out the absolute worst in people. Jumpers who have never had a problem hitting a target before will land in trees. Jumpers with excellent judgment will get out in solid clouds. Jumpers who have always stood up their landings will hit hard and need help getting to the car (who then takes them to the hospital.) Jumpers who have spotted loads into tiny windy DZ's will be off by miles. Jumpers who aren't showoffs will try to swoop a foot away from spectators. That's not to say that you should avoid such demos - but you should absolutely choose such demos so that the above antics will not result in a serious injury or fatality. In other words, if it's tight, or the winds are odd, or the spot will be critical, get the professionals. I have seen this type of scenario played out way too many times and have probably been guiltily of it myself at one time or another. By the very nature of what we do, skydivers have a pretty big ego and believe they can pull off anything. Without this aspect of their nature the fatality rate would be single digit every year. It takes time and experience to learn everything involved in doing a demo safely. One of the hardest parts is to learn yourself and recognize you own limitations. Like so many other things in skydiving the best way to learn is to start small, small demo large target, and enlist the advice of an experienced demo jumper. I had the good fortune of learning from a guy named Pat Moorehead. That was the original reason behind the requirement to have demos approved by an S&TA or RD. A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DesertDevil 1 #24 February 23, 2010 A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #25 February 24, 2010 Quote A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. And in that light, I don't even log demo jumps as skydives. . . because they're NOT. I keep a separate log 'type' book, with many more facts pertaining to the jump...for one, who knows I might write a book on doing demos someday ~ and secondly, performing is a business and every successful business keeps good records...did ya know repacks are a deduction! ~thanks for the clarification DesertDevil, I kinda wondered if it wasn't something like that- . . .the promoter found out why a professional gets paid for his service and someone who jumps demos for free, is usually over paid! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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mjosparky 4 #23 February 23, 2010 QuoteOne warning about this. Low timer demos (i.e. the typical "free" demos) will bring out the absolute worst in people. Jumpers who have never had a problem hitting a target before will land in trees. Jumpers with excellent judgment will get out in solid clouds. Jumpers who have always stood up their landings will hit hard and need help getting to the car (who then takes them to the hospital.) Jumpers who have spotted loads into tiny windy DZ's will be off by miles. Jumpers who aren't showoffs will try to swoop a foot away from spectators. That's not to say that you should avoid such demos - but you should absolutely choose such demos so that the above antics will not result in a serious injury or fatality. In other words, if it's tight, or the winds are odd, or the spot will be critical, get the professionals. I have seen this type of scenario played out way too many times and have probably been guiltily of it myself at one time or another. By the very nature of what we do, skydivers have a pretty big ego and believe they can pull off anything. Without this aspect of their nature the fatality rate would be single digit every year. It takes time and experience to learn everything involved in doing a demo safely. One of the hardest parts is to learn yourself and recognize you own limitations. Like so many other things in skydiving the best way to learn is to start small, small demo large target, and enlist the advice of an experienced demo jumper. I had the good fortune of learning from a guy named Pat Moorehead. That was the original reason behind the requirement to have demos approved by an S&TA or RD. A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertDevil 1 #24 February 23, 2010 A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #25 February 24, 2010 Quote A demo jump is not a skydive, it is a performance put on at the request of a client for the enjoyment of, in most cases, a paying audience. This audience will be most impressed with color, movement and landing on target standing up. *** I completely agree. A demo jump is a performance. And in that light, I don't even log demo jumps as skydives. . . because they're NOT. I keep a separate log 'type' book, with many more facts pertaining to the jump...for one, who knows I might write a book on doing demos someday ~ and secondly, performing is a business and every successful business keeps good records...did ya know repacks are a deduction! ~thanks for the clarification DesertDevil, I kinda wondered if it wasn't something like that- . . .the promoter found out why a professional gets paid for his service and someone who jumps demos for free, is usually over paid! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
