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[swoopfly 7]

what i want to know is why is everyone else's (who isnt PD) idea of a bare minimum drastically different than PD's?

I mean if PD said pack our reserve like this, and a rigger said i do this different because i think that's how it should be done. who would you trust more the rigger or the Company who invented it?

same with downsizing, if i really wanted to go from a velo 111 to a velo 96 to a velo 84 in a 100 to 150 jumps, how could someone get on to me and say i am crazy if i followed the manufacturers guidelines? (just for note this is hypothetical i am not planning on downsizing) Why for the most part the experienced skydivers idea of downsizing way different than that of the manufacturers/?????

[billvon 3,107]

> how could someone get on to me and say i am crazy if i followed the
> manufacturers guidelines?

They would likely call you crazy because you were confusing "guidelines" with "absolute minimums." They are not the same.

[swoopfly 7]

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> how could someone get on to me and say i am crazy if i followed the
> manufacturers guidelines?

They would likely call you crazy because you were confusing "guidelines" with "absolute minimums." They are not the same.

Don't all guidelines have a minimum?

how many people you know coming up on 200 jumps want to try a wingsuite? We should heckle them and call them crazy for wanting to jump a wingsuite on their 201 skydive with a coach?

[skybytch 273]

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If you meet the above requirements AND are below the weight in the Advanced box on the label then PD are OK with you jumping that canopy.

I wonder if they would approve of your situation?

They don't care. Neither do gear dealers, who will gladly sell whatever a person can pay for and hope that the waiver will keep them from being sued. Neither does USPA, which ignores the issue entirely and claims that skydiving is safe, even though preventable canopy related injuries and deaths happen all the time.

There are no rules. There never will be. Quit trying to be reasonable and logical about the whole situation. Either accept that there are no rules or quit jumping.

Personally, I'm hanging up the rig. Too many stupid people doing stupid shit and nobody that could control the situation seems to give a rats ass. By not jumping, I can at least be sure that the newest 200 jump wonder on a 1.6 loaded main (ie the next divot at the local dz) doesn't injure or kill me.

[billvon 3,107]

>Don't all guidelines have a minimum?

?? No; they are different things.

>how many people you know coming up on 200 jumps want to try
>a wingsuite?

A fair amount.

> We should heckle them and call them crazy for wanting to jump a
>wingsuite on their 201 skydive with a coach?

Nope.

[ianmdrennan 2]

James,

I'll be out at Skydive The Farm again when I return from Switzerland in a month.

Not really sure what you're fishing for here, but you have access to a lot of swoopers at The Farm.

Feel free to hit me up, and we can talk about canopy issues (and labels ).

Ian

Performance Designs Factory Team

[Ron 10]

Not to you, but a quote I think every canopy pilot should think about:

"One way of looking at this might be that for 42 years, I've been making small, regular deposits in this bank of experience: education and training. And on January 15 the balance was sufficient so that I could make a very large withdrawal." -- Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[champu 1]

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> how could someone get on to me and say i am crazy if i followed the
> manufacturers guidelines?

They would likely call you crazy because you were confusing "guidelines" with "absolute minimums." They are not the same.

To confuse people further, the label on the velo gives a "MAX" suspended weight corresponding to a 2.2:1 wingloading, which is arguably more of a guideline than an "absolute maximum."

[Hvance 0]

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> how could someone get on to me and say i am crazy if i followed the
> manufacturers guidelines?

They would likely call you crazy because you were confusing "guidelines" with "absolute minimums." They are not the same.

To confuse people further, the label on the velo gives a "MAX" suspended weight corresponding to a 2.2:1 wingloading, which is arguably more of a guideline than an "absolute maximum."

PD would say that it is the max in that at such a wingloading, the canopy behaves unpredictably/etc. Not a "you will die for sure" way.

I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid Ghetto" routing option.