CSpenceFLY 1 #51 February 17, 2012 Quote Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission. And here in lays the difference between common sense/ courtesy and the Me Me Me generation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #52 February 17, 2012 Quote Quote Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission. And here in lays the difference between common sense/ courtesy and the Me Me Me generation. I hope you realize that Plato expressed basically the same sentiment about 2,400 years before you were born. (ETA: No, I'm not referring to Goofy's dog.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #53 February 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission. And here in lays the difference between common sense/ courtesy and the Me Me Me generation. I hope you realize that Plato expressed basically the same sentiment about 2,400 years before you were born. (ETA: No, I'm not referring to Goofy's dog.) If you are trying to say the level of disrespect in society has not gotten worse you are nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #54 February 17, 2012 Quote I have a friend who found herself over the same horse paddock not once but twice within the space of a few weeks. The first time she landed within it and one of the horses bolted, damaging a gate (and presumably itself). The landowner was extremely upset and aggressive. The second time my friend was determined to avoid it at all costs, and broke her arm as a result. Could have been much worse Could have been worse, but should have never happened. Barring a malfunction or other complication that prevents you from opening a parachute at a 'reasonable' altitude, there should be no reason to exit the plane when you cannot make it back to the DZ. Winds aloft and jumprun direction are available to everyone before the jump, and nobody should board the plane without a 'point of no return' already in mind. EVERYONE should check the spot before they leave the plane, and if you're beyond that point, take the go-around. It's proven almost every day that you can empyty an Otter, Skyvan, or even a Casa in enough time for everyone on the load to make it back, so there simply is no reason for anyone to have to land off based on the spot. Granted, students and tandems can create delays with long climbouts, but that's why they exit last and pull high. As a fun jumper, it's YOUR responsibility to know the winds, the jumprun, the make up of the load, the spot, and the exit timing. If all of these things are reasonably close to correct, everyone will land on the DZ, again, as proven on most loads flown. When a jumper lands off, it due to their own failure to be aware of, and mindful of, the above perameters. Am I being harsh? To hardcore? I don't think so, I think I'm just expecting people to have some situational awareness, and act accordingly. What's the alternative? Property damage to the neighbors? Injury to the jumper? The stakes are clearly high enough, and if you cannot honestly tell yourself that you are aware of all of the above factors on EVERY jump you make, you need to revise your procedures. Jumpers need to start expecting more from themselves, because the sport as a whole has been expecting less and less every year. Hold yourself to higher standard, and then you don't have to be the example for anyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #55 February 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission. And here in lays the difference between common sense/ courtesy and the Me Me Me generation. I hope you realize that Plato expressed basically the same sentiment about 2,400 years before you were born. (ETA: No, I'm not referring to Goofy's dog.) If you are trying to say the level of disrespect in society has not gotten worse you are nuts. I'm trying to say that every generation feels that way about the subsequent generation. "When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint". - Hesiod, 8th century BC "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" - Plato, 4th Century BC “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” - Socrates, 4th Century BC "We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control." -- Inscription on a 6,000 year old Egyptian tomb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #56 February 17, 2012 Yeah, but we're talking about the ones that need bitch slapped now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #57 February 17, 2012 Quote Yeah, but we're talking about the ones that need bitch slapped now. and lots of them NEEDED to be dealt with like That,,waaaay before NOW... like when they were little...all of andys quotes are well taken.. but every one of them needs to be prefaced with the Magic word.... " SOME ".... as in, "some of todays youth" "some of the younger generation" "some students". then i could agree with him... for sure "things ain't gettin' better" hopefully we can educate ourselves as a community, to actively improve our REP...as jumpers, within the Real World...imho jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
