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QuoteMainly because beer is awesome, but if the off chance they don't drink beer I get points for making a nice gesture (it's the thought that counts right?) AND get to keep the beer.
You are carded... can I see some ID please
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Well I have to disagree with you. The land owner is a lady for one and she is, well, very pleasing to the eyes. So here we have let's say 8 men and two chicks drop out of the sky and land on her private property.
So she engages them about their trespassing & scaring of the livestock and asks them to stop their deliberate and ongoing scaring of livestock because they were enjoying it and having a laugh. (in her mind that is what she saw)
She then gets an attitude and who knows what smart ass reaction flipped to her, she may have even had to say something like "if you stop now and leave, I'm going to have to take action" (that could have meant calling the cops or pushing them out the gate) One or two male smartass skydivers then make additional comments like "yea right what you going to do about it, there are more us then you". (perceived threat of harm)
We don't know, but had there been any feeling of a threat to her or her property, like fucking with the horses to the point one got hurt, well then she has a right to defend her person and the property, that even means letting loose the dogs and or pulling a firearm.
Come out to my house and fuck with me or my family and see what you'll be staring down, dogs to much of a pussy to release on you though, so have no worries of a bite...
So she engages them about their trespassing & scaring of the livestock and asks them to stop their deliberate and ongoing scaring of livestock because they were enjoying it and having a laugh. (in her mind that is what she saw)
She then gets an attitude and who knows what smart ass reaction flipped to her, she may have even had to say something like "if you stop now and leave, I'm going to have to take action" (that could have meant calling the cops or pushing them out the gate) One or two male smartass skydivers then make additional comments like "yea right what you going to do about it, there are more us then you". (perceived threat of harm)
We don't know, but had there been any feeling of a threat to her or her property, like fucking with the horses to the point one got hurt, well then she has a right to defend her person and the property, that even means letting loose the dogs and or pulling a firearm.
Come out to my house and fuck with me or my family and see what you'll be staring down, dogs to much of a pussy to release on you though, so have no worries of a bite...
you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo
joephus 0
QuoteQuoteMainly because beer is awesome, but if the off chance they don't drink beer I get points for making a nice gesture (it's the thought that counts right?) AND get to keep the beer.
You are carded... can I see some ID please
Born in 1975. You? Mayhap you don't truly understand the awesomeness that is beer? This should help, How Beer Saved the World:http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/
Rick 67
You are carded... can I see some ID please
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Born in 1975. You? Mayhap you don't truly understand the awesomeness that is beer? This should help, How Beer Saved the World:http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/...eer-saved-the-world/
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[laugh)[/laugh] Oh I believe he knows of this awesomeness
You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!
JohnRich 4
QuoteWell I have to disagree with you. The land owner is a lady for one and she is, well, very pleasing to the eyes. So here we have let's say 8 men and two chicks drop out of the sky and land on her private property.
So she engages them about their trespassing & scaring of the livestock and asks them to stop their deliberate and ongoing scaring of livestock because they were enjoying it and having a laugh. (in her mind that is what she saw)
She then gets an attitude and who knows what smart ass reaction flipped to her, she may have even had to say something like "if you stop now and leave, I'm going to have to take action" (that could have meant calling the cops or pushing them out the gate) One or two male smartass skydivers then make additional comments like "yea right what you going to do about it, there are more us then you". (perceived threat of harm)
We don't know, but had there been any feeling of a threat to her or her property, like fucking with the horses to the point one got hurt, well then she has a right to defend her person and the property, that even means letting loose the dogs and or pulling a firearm.
First of all, I'm playing devil's-advocate here, because no one has been representing the skydiver's side of the story, in the zeal to brand them the wrong-doers.
And none of us seems to know exactly what went on between the skydivers and the property owner, and you acknowledge that yourself.
Yet you continue on to invent some conversation to support your position, even though you don't know if such things were said. Yes, it's one possibility that the skydivers acted like assholes, but we don't know if it's true, and we shouldn't assume it is. The other possibility is that the property owner is an asshole, and while we shouldn't assume that either, we also shouldn't disregard outright that possibility either.
And you also acknowledge that her perception of things could be different from reality (i.e. "in her mind that is what she saw"). The jumpers may have just been laughing and joking with each other because of their predicament, or what happened on the dive, just like jumpers do on every dive after they get to the ground. And she may have perceived that as directed towards her, or of making light of spooking her horses. It could be that her perception is wrong.
I've seen unreasonable property owners before, as well as those which are very understanding. My encounters have ranged from an irate man running to his house to get a gun, to another friendly man running to his house to get his ATV to give me a ride around his land to help me find a cut-away canopy. I haven't heard anything definitively in this thread to convince me of which of those extremes this property owner belongs in, if any.
Until then, I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon to blame the skydivers, and only the skydivers.
Just the facts, please.
mark 107
QuoteJust the facts, please.
7 jumpers (not 10): 6 guys, 1 chick. Senior jumper had less than 500, a couple jumpers had less than 100. Some (all?) not local.
Bad spot. The pilot asked the jumpers to get out early (at 10K) because winds were coming up. Low jumper experience level meant there were a lot of solos and small-ways, so jump run got strung out, too.
Small landing area, including power lines, trees, and houses.
6 jumpers landed in one direction; spooked horses gathered at the other end. The last jumper landed in the opposite direction, spooking the horses who thought they had found a safe spot.
Yes, there was some laughing, but not about spooking horses. More like low-time jumpers having survived an "emergency bail-out" and off-field landing in a confined area.
2 civilians, one angry/upset, the other not so much. The not-so-much one asked the jumpers to move slowly so as not to further alarm the horses. Jumpers complied.
Mark
JohnRich 4
Thank you for those factual details, Mark. That doesn't sound nearly as bad as some here have made it out to be.
I recommend a fruit basket from a local grocery store as a means to mending whatever hurt feelings there might be with the property owner.
I recommend a fruit basket from a local grocery store as a means to mending whatever hurt feelings there might be with the property owner.
Krip 2
QuoteThank you for those factual details, Mark. That doesn't sound nearly as bad as some here have made it out to be.
I recommend a fruit basket from a local grocery store as a means to mending whatever hurt feelings there might be with the property owner.
+1
Knew a bird hunter that had his secret hunting places with the farmers permision.
He always stopped by the farm house's with a box of candy for the lady of the bouse before going bang bang in the back forty.
He didn'y have to, it was a sign of respect
One Jump Wonder
Maybe take some apples or carrots for the horses?
If you never fall down you aren't trying hard enough.
Krip 2
Hi Mick
I'm not a horse person.![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
Don't have a clue what their into.
I'll try and be nice to their owner, and do the responsiable thing like offer to pay for vet bills fence damage etc.if it's my fault.
You know the deal act like a responsible adult instead of a wise ass.
R.I.P.
MikeJD 0
I think it's important to stress that once you've done what you can safely to avoid inconveniencing the landowner, your priority as ever is to land under a level canopy in a space that permits it without impacting obstacles. If that space is a crop field or a pasture containing animals, then so be it.
I have a friend who found herself over the same horse paddock not once but twice within the space of a few weeks. The first time she landed within it and one of the horses bolted, damaging a gate (and presumably itself). The landowner was extremely upset and aggressive. The second time my friend was determined to avoid it at all costs, and broke her arm as a result. Could have been much worse.
Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission.
I have a friend who found herself over the same horse paddock not once but twice within the space of a few weeks. The first time she landed within it and one of the horses bolted, damaging a gate (and presumably itself). The landowner was extremely upset and aggressive. The second time my friend was determined to avoid it at all costs, and broke her arm as a result. Could have been much worse.
Personally if I land off and the landowner is around, the first thing out of my mouth will be an apology. Why on earth wouldn't it be? It costs nothing, and regardless of the cause, you're on his or her land without permission.
Another scenario along this line...
A cutaway canopy or free-bag drift into a farmer’s corn field. Before tramping thru the corn, ask for permission from the landowner.
Tell them what you’re looking for and explain that you want to find it and carefully remove it from their field before their Combine finds it. “We’d hate to see any damage to your equipment because our/my equipment inadvertently drifted into your corn field”. Explain that you’ll be very careful not to damage any crops or scare any livestock. And again, bring beer!
"Son, only two things fall from the sky."
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