pmw515 0 #1 October 29, 2005 Two days ago, I did my aff level 3. The dive went well, and I was happy with it. I got under parachute, cleared a line twist (I hate those), and flew tward the playground. The bad part started when I overshot my base line due to turning too hard. That caused me to miss the grass and hit the pavement. I Plfed and got a few cuts. Lessons: No aggressive turns below 1000 ft. always be prepared to Plf- it saved my ass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #2 October 29, 2005 Glad to hear you are OK and not to badly hurt.Thanks for the advice, although we are told to run our landings off, the PLF certainly seems a greta skill to have under one's belt. Thanks for the info, Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pmw515 0 #3 October 29, 2005 thanks. I cant wait to get back in the sky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #4 October 29, 2005 I know the feeling (not injury), due to weather!! But hey, itll come around. Good luck with the rest of your course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 October 30, 2005 Quote Thanks for the advice, although we are told to run our landings off, the PLF certainly seems a greta skill to have under one's belt. Mike You are not taught to PLF/PLR on your course at all??You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #6 October 30, 2005 nope. told to run off. Its works though, so its perfectly cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thepollster 0 #7 October 30, 2005 Quotenope. told to run off. Its works though, so its perfectly cool. It only works until it stops working. And then the doctors get to work Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #8 October 30, 2005 Be careful with that running stuff. I get to jump with an ACL brace now because I thought I could "run it out". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #9 October 30, 2005 Well im gonna go thorugh it later, so should be able to use both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #10 October 30, 2005 Glad you recoveredThe runnnig stuff isn't the DZ's fault at all, it is a exceptional DZ IMHO, with great staff and wonderful people. They are very experienced so I completely trust what they say, although I will go over the Plf stuff - generally though most people i think at our DZ know how to roll to ground. Therefore, it could very well be my lack lf physical ability and skill which causes these things not to come naturally. Certainly not the DZ's fault - just wanted to make that clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Droolbaby 0 #11 October 30, 2005 QuoteQuote Thanks for the advice, although we are told to run our landings off, the PLF certainly seems a greta skill to have under one's belt. Mike You are not taught to PLF/PLR on your course at all?? Really? Wow, I did my AFF level 1 and my instructor asked me if I had ever jumped? I told him I had 36 static lines in the military and he said "Well, I guess we can skip the lesson on proper PLF skills." Thought it was taught. Maybe it should be added to the ciriculum? Glad to hear you are ok. I have landed on airport pavement (military training jumps). Doesn't feel good, and we were aiming for it..had elbow and knee pads and still got bloody. Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing, the great ones are the ones you stand up on. ...Happiness is just a drool away....mmmmm.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #12 October 31, 2005 >although we are told to run our landings off, the PLF certainly seems >a greta skill to have under one's belt. Trying to 'salvage' a bad landing by running it off leads to a lot of broken bones. A PLF should be the default landing position for new jumpers; if everything looks perfect the jumper can then opt to run it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 October 31, 2005 Absolutely. It makes me cringe that this guy wasn't trained in PLF's. Since gear made the switch over to square-on-square, there seems to be a cultural imperative, which too many novices fall for, that says one "must" stand-up a landing or else it's something less than a perfect landing. That's BS, of course. Landing isn't a fashion statement; and "Feet and knees together!" is not an obsolete concept. A "failed" landing is one you don't walk away from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 October 31, 2005 QuoteCertainly not the DZ's fault It certainly is, if that's the DZ that trained you... ...and if it's not the DZ where you did your FJC, it's still their fault for not making sure a student (you) knows how to do a PLF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #15 October 31, 2005 Well i went over one last night - Dan poyntrer's book, as a starting method and practiced some of the techniques. I still trust the JM - no disrespect to anyone on here at all, but that is what I was told to do - on here aswell. So ill go with what he says, yet also learn how to PLF and have it as a backup. The instructors and Dz are still great though - this isn't implying anything otherwise, it is a great DZ which is both safety conscious and sensible. They certainly know what they are doing and I love it there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDane 0 #16 October 31, 2005 I took a staticline course in Denmark and wasn't taught plf either... When I went to Spain to take an aff course I was taught plf. And am very happy to know how to do it.... except I appear to be the only one to use it where I jump in Denmark.... the others know how to stand up their landings....and I always plf....a bit embarrassing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #17 October 31, 2005 if it works for you - theirs nothing wrong with it. Although Illkeep runing the landings for how, ill have the PLF in resevre for when I need it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pmw515 0 #18 October 31, 2005 to hell w/e mbarrassment man. if a plf keeps you from breaking bones, then it is worth doing one. It saved me. In fact, it was the way I was taught to land. My personal philosophy on landing: arrive alive, and do whatever it takes to prevent injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites