catfishhunter 2 #26 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteevery DZ will have a "spot" that you need to turn at 500' to put you in the peas. Not true. At my home DZ, the "spot" is at 476 feet and it only gets you within 4 feet of the peas in wind conditions between 3-76 MPH on hot days. LOL ok I gave real basic info and said talk to your instructor. No matter where you jump if you turn your final at 500' your gonna land in "x" area. This will give him a basic sight picture and a starting point instead of just trying to figure it out all on his own. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #27 September 11, 2012 QuoteNo matter where you jump if you turn your final at 500' your gonna land in "x" area. I haven't turned final at 500' since the days we used to do 180s to final under our big ass Furys, and I don't know any non-swooper who turns final at or above 500'. Where I jump, if I turn final over the ditch on a no wind day, I'll land long of the peas. If there is a 15 mile an hour wind, I'll land short. If there is a 20 mile an hour wind, I'll land really short. AFAIK, winds work the same no matter where you jump.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #28 September 11, 2012 QuoteGuess I'm just used to jumping out last and pulling the highest :P My guess is that you are not attempting to learn safe canopy practices.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #29 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo matter where you jump if you turn your final at 500' your gonna land in "x" area. I haven't turned final at 500' since the days we used to do 180s to final under our big ass Furys, and I don't know any non-swooper who turns final at or above 500'. Where I jump, if I turn final over the ditch on a no wind day, I'll land long of the peas. If there is a 15 mile an hour wind, I'll land short. If there is a 20 mile an hour wind, I'll land really short. There is a reason why the effects of wind on landing patterns is in the SIM. AFAIK, winds work the same no matter where you jump.... THAT^^^^ 'Bytch...let me add: Guys..come on...telling people to turn at specific altitudes cheats them from learning real judgement. You know as well as I do that flying a pattern has a lot of variables involved and setting specific turn altitudes will lead them to trouble. "Geez...I turned at 500 ft yesterday so why am I overshooting this one into the trees/corn?" That specific turn altitude is great...if wind conditions are the same from one jump.day to the next...or if you have a large, and I mean large, landing area that can't be missed. Suppose they do have that. Now what are they gonna do when they visit another DZ that doesn't? They are stuck. Flying a landing pattern is a dynamic process, not a static one.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #30 September 11, 2012 LMAO and you completly missed the "talk to your instructor" just so you could add your opinion. As for SB what new jumper is jumping in 20 mile and hour winds [/crazy] the point is developing a sight picture correct? Whats the easist fastest way to do that? I don't know your thought processs but if you do X you get Y works for me..... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #31 September 11, 2012 Quotethe point is developing a sight picture correct? Whats the easist fastest way to do that? I don't know your thought processs but if you do X you get Y works for me..... the point is there are more then two variables, you are only accounting for the glide ratio of the canopy and the distance to the target. on a no wind day you would be correct turn at x while at y feet and you will land in the same place. As soon as the conditions change from anything other then no wind you wont land in that same place anymore and telling someone to turn onto final at the same place over the ground at the same altitude all the time and you will land in the same place is wrong. Turn on to final at a consistent altitude every time be it 300/400/500 whatever but were you make that turn and how you get to that point changes depending on the conditions during that jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #32 September 11, 2012 Try this link for a little guidance? This oneexplains how to learn flare timing. Getting a canopy coach for a day is well worth the cost, but at 13 jumps...get a little more canopy time. You'll more than likely start getting the hang of it faster than you think, if you focus on your pattern, winds, and how the canopy responds to inputs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waveoff5500 0 #33 September 11, 2012 yooo brandon its adam g from AO! ill help you with some canopy stuff this weekend and get you squared away! you have the right idea though, practice makes perfect and it will come with time. shoot me a text whenever and we can talk more about it. rock on bro! cya soon! "its just a normal day at the dropzone until its not" 1653 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #34 September 11, 2012 Quote yooo brandon its adam g from AO! ill help you with some canopy stuff this weekend and get you squared away! you have the right idea though, practice makes perfect and it will come with time. shoot me a text whenever and we can talk more about it. rock on bro! cya soon! ^This is what I love about the skydiving community^ Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #35 September 11, 2012 As a student I'm attempting safe everything. And the only people behind students on the plane are tandems and wingsuit/trackers so I'm usually last out ;p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #36 September 12, 2012 Quote LMAO and you completly missed the "talk to your instructor" just so you could add your opinion. I should have included something in my response that I was not responding to? Nah. Quote the point is developing a sight picture correc Yep. You can't do that by blindly turning at the same altitude in all wind conditions...without endangering yourself....unless you have a very large landing area that can accommodate your errors. Now, if you have that large area, you can help yourself develop a sight picture by turning at the same spot at the same altitude and evaluating where you landed and understanding that the differences are related to wind direction and speed (among other variables), not turning altitude. Unfortunately, too many DZs don't have that luxury and telling people to turn at the same altitude is going to get them in trouble....I've seen it way too many times. YMMV. Quote if you do X you get Y works for me..... Given the same input with no variables, you are likely to get the same output, yes. Off the mark as far as this discussion goes, though. Maybe if you talked to the big boy accuracy pilots you'd get better feedback. I can promise you they don't turn at predesignated altitudes. And as a side note ( I hate to open this can of worms here) "talk to your instructors" is not always the best advice. The good news for LookUpHigh (the OP) is that he's at AerOhio and it's hard to miss that place no matter what you do...when the fields are plowed, that is. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #37 September 12, 2012 QuoteAs a student I'm attempting safe everything. And the only people behind students on the plane are tandems and wingsuit/trackers so I'm usually last out ;p I'm curious to know how being last out is being factored into your canopy flight and landing patterns? And how is that helping you?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexafox 0 #38 September 12, 2012 Something that really helped me (and it suprised me how helpful it really was) was getting a digital altimeter. I did some canopy coaching and my coach was saying "What heights are you doing your base leg at?" When I responded 500ft he said "There is no way that's 500 ft!" I put his digital alti on next to my analog alti for a jump and the difference between the two was 200-300ft!! Since I bought my digital alti I haven't landed outside the landing area once! I'm sure as I get more experienced I'll be able to use my eyes more but it's made a huge difference! I found hop n pops really helpful as well! When you're the only one in the sky and don't have to stress about the other canopies as much you can really concentrate on your pattern and looking at the wind speed etc... Good luck with it all! I refuse to accept a mediocre life... facebook.com/chutefirst chutefirstapparel.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LookUpHigh 0 #39 September 12, 2012 Thanks! I've actually thought about doing that and whether it would make a huge difference or not. I think i'm going to go ahead and get one just for the accurate readings between 1000,s of feet. What are some good ones to consider, on a budget but not willing to sacrifice quality, that just defeats the purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
