BrianSGermain 1 #1 March 3, 2013 Please watch this video. There are lessons to be learned from spinning for 80 seconds, beyond just "don't do that again". Clearly, however, that was one of the lessons... ;-) [Url]http://youtu.be/QVRRmSbaK7g[/url] //Advertising link removed by moderator//Instructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SecondRound 1 #2 March 3, 2013 I have to agree. I watched the video and it got my attention. It made me aware of a couple things. How deep into shit a canopy can get you, and how a cool head and canopy flying skills can get you out of the deep shit. I also agree with the beginning statement to not stay with a bad canopy but instead cut away. Thanks for sharing this hard won wisdom Brian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #3 March 3, 2013 What caught my attention is at more than a couple times, the toggles and steering lines were wrapped around your wrists. If you had chosen that/those moment/s to have cutaway--, I hate to think what wold have happened. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #4 March 3, 2013 I am quite certain that I could have cutaway at any point. The brake lines might have been bouncing off my hands, but they did not entangle with my hands at all. That bring said, I truly appreciate the comment, as you point out a possibility that I had not considered. Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. If you can't work it out, chop it. I truly appreciate your insight. Thank you. -BrianInstructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #5 March 3, 2013 Damn! Nobody can ever accuse you of having a short attention span Brian. Such focus. I lose interest in fucked up main canopies really fast. ADHD can be a blessing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #6 March 3, 2013 QuoteI am quite certain that I could have cutaway at any point. The brake lines might have been bouncing off my hands, but they did not entangle with my hands at all. Which was nothing but luck.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #7 March 3, 2013 Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. Quote That's what got my curiosity up Brian, why did you release the brakes? My fear would be that one may work and the other bind, possibly causing her to spin up even worse...and wouldn't the canopy being in a 'brakes-set' slower flight configuration be a more stable platform to be working with? Obviously what you did worked, I defer to your expertise as to why...and would you do that again in the same circumstance? Thanks for the link...an eye-opener for sure~! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjumpenfool 2 #8 March 3, 2013 Quote Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. Quote That's what got my curiosity up Brian, why did you release the brakes? My fear would be that one may work and the other bind, possibly causing her to spin up even worse...and wouldn't the canopy being in a 'brakes-set' slower flight configuration be a more stable platform to be working with? Obviously what you did worked, I defer to your expertise as to why...and would you do that again in the same circumstance? Thanks for the link...an eye-opener for sure~! 12th Commandment... Thou shalt trust thy reserve! Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BigMark 1 #9 March 3, 2013 I like your brothers music...and Turtles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FlyingRhenquest 1 #10 March 3, 2013 I've talked to a couple of new skydivers recently who have been freaked out specifically by this video. Somehow they miss the safety discussion and fixate on the malfunction. This puts me in the unfortunate position of having to give a new skydiver advice on skydiving, which is really something I shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure "Yeah, don't do that. If you see something like that over you, cut it away." is reasonably sound advice, though.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yoink 321 #11 March 4, 2013 Thanks for the updated video Brian. Once you're into your landing pattern you say 'Too tired to hold front risers' - was that indicating you were starting a HP landing and just didn't have the strength top continue it? If so, weren't you worried about any damage to the lines that may have been caused during the malfunction - the most conservative low-G approach seems like a good idea to me after a wild ride like that, even if only because you're still jammed on adrenaline and probably aren't making decisions clearly. Not the best time for busting out a swoop! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BrianSGermain 1 #12 March 4, 2013 Once the canopy was functional, I spent a good deal of time inspecting it and flying it to ensure safety. I also spent dedicated time to softening my adrenalin, as is clarified in the first video "parachute malfunction recovery": [Url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-17AHJQQ8fA[/url] Since the vast majority of my landings over the past twenty years have been high performance approaches, given the huge landing area and complete lack of traffic, following my standard landing pattern seemed appropriate. I was surprised that I was not able to hold the front risers down, but if you notice, by switching to a coordinated harness and toggle turn, I still maintained my speed to the ground. This is why is it is so important to have multiple options for your approach, and to stay current with all of them. That being said, had I been more current with a straight in approach, that would have been the "conservative" option. I took this as a lesson to rehearse box pattern approaches on my high performance canopies more. In this case, I feel I did the correct approach for the circumstances. I do not think that this would be the correct choice for everyone, but it worked fine for me. I cannot argue with success. Thanks for pondering safety. -BrianInstructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #13 March 5, 2013 Quote Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. Quote That's what got my curiosity up Brian, why did you release the brakes? My fear would be that one may work and the other bind, possibly causing her to spin up even worse...and wouldn't the canopy being in a 'brakes-set' slower flight configuration be a more stable platform to be working with? Obviously what you did worked, I defer to your expertise as to why...and would you do that again in the same circumstance? Thanks for the link...an eye-opener for sure~! With 3000 jumps and not being a swooper I certainly defer to your expertise, Brian, but I cannot imagine instructing anyone to unstow a toggle on a spinning canopy. In fact just this week I went over that with an AFF student to NOT unstow a toggle if the canopy is spinning. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #14 March 5, 2013 He was using his whole bag of tricks. Using toggles on line twists wasn't the take away from the video."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #15 March 5, 2013 While watching I wondered if you think you might have had enough airspeed to simply let the canopy do its own thing and "fly" your body out of the twists. You looked like you were going pretty fast - with the altitude you had I wonder if maybe by going big on one side you could have used your airspeed to rotate your body round the line twists? I guess it's a thought experiment only really as most openings aren't going to have the altitude to consider such fanciful things, especially if doing the speed at which it might work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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skyjumpenfool 2 #8 March 3, 2013 Quote Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. Quote That's what got my curiosity up Brian, why did you release the brakes? My fear would be that one may work and the other bind, possibly causing her to spin up even worse...and wouldn't the canopy being in a 'brakes-set' slower flight configuration be a more stable platform to be working with? Obviously what you did worked, I defer to your expertise as to why...and would you do that again in the same circumstance? Thanks for the link...an eye-opener for sure~! 12th Commandment... Thou shalt trust thy reserve! Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMark 1 #9 March 3, 2013 I like your brothers music...and Turtles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #10 March 3, 2013 I've talked to a couple of new skydivers recently who have been freaked out specifically by this video. Somehow they miss the safety discussion and fixate on the malfunction. This puts me in the unfortunate position of having to give a new skydiver advice on skydiving, which is really something I shouldn't be doing. I'm pretty sure "Yeah, don't do that. If you see something like that over you, cut it away." is reasonably sound advice, though.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #11 March 4, 2013 Thanks for the updated video Brian. Once you're into your landing pattern you say 'Too tired to hold front risers' - was that indicating you were starting a HP landing and just didn't have the strength top continue it? If so, weren't you worried about any damage to the lines that may have been caused during the malfunction - the most conservative low-G approach seems like a good idea to me after a wild ride like that, even if only because you're still jammed on adrenaline and probably aren't making decisions clearly. Not the best time for busting out a swoop! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianSGermain 1 #12 March 4, 2013 Once the canopy was functional, I spent a good deal of time inspecting it and flying it to ensure safety. I also spent dedicated time to softening my adrenalin, as is clarified in the first video "parachute malfunction recovery": [Url]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-17AHJQQ8fA[/url] Since the vast majority of my landings over the past twenty years have been high performance approaches, given the huge landing area and complete lack of traffic, following my standard landing pattern seemed appropriate. I was surprised that I was not able to hold the front risers down, but if you notice, by switching to a coordinated harness and toggle turn, I still maintained my speed to the ground. This is why is it is so important to have multiple options for your approach, and to stay current with all of them. That being said, had I been more current with a straight in approach, that would have been the "conservative" option. I took this as a lesson to rehearse box pattern approaches on my high performance canopies more. In this case, I feel I did the correct approach for the circumstances. I do not think that this would be the correct choice for everyone, but it worked fine for me. I cannot argue with success. Thanks for pondering safety. -BrianInstructional Videos:www.AdventureWisdom.com Keynote Speaking:www.TranscendingFEAR.com Canopies and Courses:www.BIGAIRSPORTZ.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #13 March 5, 2013 Quote Again, I continue to teach that it is best to keep the toggles stowed in a line twist. Quote That's what got my curiosity up Brian, why did you release the brakes? My fear would be that one may work and the other bind, possibly causing her to spin up even worse...and wouldn't the canopy being in a 'brakes-set' slower flight configuration be a more stable platform to be working with? Obviously what you did worked, I defer to your expertise as to why...and would you do that again in the same circumstance? Thanks for the link...an eye-opener for sure~! With 3000 jumps and not being a swooper I certainly defer to your expertise, Brian, but I cannot imagine instructing anyone to unstow a toggle on a spinning canopy. In fact just this week I went over that with an AFF student to NOT unstow a toggle if the canopy is spinning. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #14 March 5, 2013 He was using his whole bag of tricks. Using toggles on line twists wasn't the take away from the video."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 March 5, 2013 While watching I wondered if you think you might have had enough airspeed to simply let the canopy do its own thing and "fly" your body out of the twists. You looked like you were going pretty fast - with the altitude you had I wonder if maybe by going big on one side you could have used your airspeed to rotate your body round the line twists? I guess it's a thought experiment only really as most openings aren't going to have the altitude to consider such fanciful things, especially if doing the speed at which it might work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
