Signs of authoritarianism

[billvon 3,173]

In the book How Democracies Die, Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt discuss their research that looked into the cause of authoritarian regimes that replaced more democratic societies.  There are a lot of famous ones out there:

Iraq under Hussein
Hungary under Orban
Kampuchea under Pol Pot
Germany under Hitler
The Soviet Union under Stalin
Italy under Mussolini
Libya under Gaddafi

They set out to answer the question "how does this happen?"  How do authoritarian strongmen take control of democracies and societies that are more democratic than authoritarian?  Why do people cede their power to an autocrat?  During their studies, they found some common themes that appeared in all transitions to autocracy.

1. Rejecting the principles of democracy.  Fledgling autocrats start by attacking the principles of democratic society.  They question elections, claiming they were rigged against them.  They threaten judges and electors, hoping to cow them into supporting the autocrat, rather than do their jobs to ensure justice and fair elections.

2.  Denying the legitimacy of opponents.  Opponents are portrayed as criminals or threats to national security.  They are often arrested or threatened with arrest, and the autocrat's supporters often carry out these threats with implicit backing from the autocrat.

3. Tolerating or encouraging violence.  Autocrats encourage riots and civil unrest, and often later call their followers engaging in such riots heroes.  They then use their power to protect those rioters, to create a more loyal base willing to do violence.  At the same time they try to incite violence at a state level, by using state forces to create conflict where there was none - and then using that conflict as an excuse for more brutal controls.

4. Curtailing civil liberties.  The first target of autocrats is the media - restricing their access, feeding them misinformation, threatening them with arrest, and using state power and influence to shut any dissenting opinions down.  At the same time, state and state affiliated media sources are supported, promulgated and funded in order to get the autocrats message out.  After that they start restricing individual rights, like banning certain types of speech or certain sorts of communication.

As these go on, there are several other ancillary steps the autocrat takes.

Expanding executive power.  They will often govern through executive edicts, ignoring the legislative and judicial branches. They will claim that any limits to their power are false, or evil, or a result of an enemy trying to harm the country.

Politicizing independent institutions.  Ordinarily nonpartisan organizations, like the police, the national guard and the judiciary, are taken over by the autocrat to do their bidding.

Disinformation.  Falsehoods that help the autocrat are spread continuously, relentlessly and deliberately to confuse the issues surrounding the autocrat.

Quashing dissent.  Dissenters are criminalized, and the right to assemble and speak freely is limited by the autocrat.

Scapegoating vulnerable communities.  A scapegoat community is chosen, generally one with little to no power, and one that is visibly and notably different from the autocrat's community.  They are vilified and turned into the evil that is holding the country back, and so must be stopped at all costs.  This allows the autocrat to seize extraordinary powers to "deal with the emergency."

Seen any of that going on recently?

[gowlerk 2,308]

I question some of the examples you give under point two, as in the level of democracy as a starting point. But the general gist of what is happening is frighteningly as you say. It is not hard to imagine that the USA great experiment is in danger of ending.

[wmw999 2,643]

Maybe so. And maybe it’ll be the hard reset that, frankly, Nazi Germany was for Germany. Which really sucks, considering all that persecution, Holocaust, and war that happened in between. It’s such a big country, it’s maybe too big and diverse to continue as a tightly-knit country, and may have to end up as something more akin to the EU.

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 3,025]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Maybe so. And maybe it’ll be the hard reset that, frankly, Nazi Germany was for Germany. Which really sucks, considering all that persecution, Holocaust, and war that happened in between. It’s such a big country, it’s maybe too big and diverse to continue as a tightly-knit country, and may have to end up as something more akin to the EU.

Wendy P. 

I doubt it. Seems to me that the long term survival of our species is dependent not on what we each want on a short term basis but rather of a mixing of the races and a recognition that a group of peaceful democracies peacefully coexisting for their mutual betterment is clearly not in our nature.

[gowlerk 2,308]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

recognition that a group of peaceful democracies peacefully coexisting for their mutual betterment is clearly not in our nature.

It would seem to go against the survival of the fittest ethic. Competition is brutal, but perhaps necessary.

[nigel99 689]

For you history buffs, has any country got to the brink of dictatorship/authoritarian rule and been able to avert it?

Specifically as far as the US - with “secret police” types on the streets etc. 

[billvon 3,173]

On 10/12/2025 at 6:15 AM, gowlerk said:

I question some of the examples you give under point two, as in the level of democracy as a starting point.

Interesting.   Do you think any of the cases are examples of going from one autocracy to another?  Or is it more that some of those regimes were more democratic than others before the authoritarian comes to power? (Which is definitely true)

[gowlerk 2,308]

The one that immediately caught my attention was Stalin and the Soviet Union. I’m not aware of either Imperial Russia, or the nations making up the USSR ever being considered democracies.

[wmw999 2,643]

Brazil was a fairly unstable democracy, heading towards more stability (fingers crossed) in 1964 when the military took over. But they were beset by some of the same issues that we are now (economic inequality and instability, lots of movements etc). The military overthrew the elected government, tossed the sitting president, and declared the position vacant. There was an "interim" government declared, and then one of the generals who led the coup was elected the following year. There were close to 30 years of oppression and violence. Brazil is by no means a haven now, but they're back to electing people, and demonstrating about it, and everything else. 

One difference is that coups were going around the place in South America at the time, and the military was its own source of power, not just an arm of the government. 

Wendy P.

[nigel99 689]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FascismLink/s/hWgZ2RPlxP

Hard to believe this is in the USA. It’s a little bit difficult to get the full context from the video - why were only these 2 targeted and why was the one guy dragged inside the facility? 

It looks like maybe they were the only ones blocking the road but it still is a shocking scene.

[jakee 1,647]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Hard to believe this is in the USA.

Police brutality in the USA is hard to believe?

[nigel99 689]

41 minutes ago, jakee said:

Police brutality in the USA is hard to believe?

Against white people

No I meant the suppression of peaceful protestors.

[kallend 2,219]

4 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Against white people

No I meant the suppression of peaceful protestors.

 

[normiss 917]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

 

weaklings

[JerryBaumchen 1,493]

Hi folks,

I came across this comment from PA Gov. Shapiro:  “I think it's important that, in this time of rising political violence, that none of us grow numb to it or accept this as the normal course of doing business for elected officials.

Statement Gov Shapiro FL Shapiro Guilty Plea Assassination Attempt Arson Attack | Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

I agree 100% with the governor.  We must stand our ground & resist all we can; civilly.  We must not yield to the tyranny of Trump 2.0.  We must not consider it the 'new normal.'

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 2,308]

In a move that did get some attention, but was quickly drowned out by so many other items, the Pentagon based press corps walked away en masse rather than knuckle under to the demands that they submit to carte blanche censorship. Maybe there is some hope for civilization.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/15/media/pentagon-press-hegseth-restrictions-journalists-fox

[normiss 917]

37 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

In a move that did get some attention, but was quickly drowned out by so many other items, the Pentagon based press corps walked away en masse rather than knuckle under to the demands that they submit to carte blanche censorship. Maybe there is some hope for civilization.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/15/media/pentagon-press-hegseth-restrictions-journalists-fox

I don't yet understand how that helps. 

I'd have to be physically removed from my office.

Why are so many people just walking away from American democracy????????????????????

[GeorgiaDon 407]

Would you stay in your office if it meant that the only thing you could report was a word-for-word copy of the official press releases?  No interviewing anyone, no reporting anything that isn't specifically authorized by Hegseth or his ass-kissers?  Walking away is a protest, and then they aren't committed to Hegseth's terms, although journalists will have a harder time as they won't have inside-the-Pentagon access to people or information.  

[JoeWeber 3,025]

Just now, normiss said:

Why are so many people just walking away from American democracy????????????????????

Because it's become an embarrassment.

[JoeWeber 3,025]

Just now, normiss said:

I don't yet understand how that helps. 

I'd have to be physically removed from my office.

Why are so many people just walking away from American democracy????????????????????

If things are as bad as we make it out where are our veterans? We have the people in inflatable frogs suits, naked bike riders, and the Banana Marching band out in force but where are the people we trained to protect us? Of course I don't expect the serving military to be other than servile but maybe a million veteran march on DC would get some attention. Or maybe they also don't care or are generally pleased with the current trend.

[nigel99 689]

6 hours ago, normiss said:

I don't yet understand how that helps. 

I'd have to be physically removed from my office.

Why are so many people just walking away from American democracy????????????????????

It was a rare moment of unity. There’s a fairly powerful image of them all standing together- including Newsmax and Fox. 

Sadly in this America they’ll just replace them with podcasters like Joe Rogan, Charlie Kirk types. And let’s face it, podcasters are replacing mainstream media. 

[normiss 917]

I just snagged this from The Other 98%'s FB page, and this is the way I feel about those leaving.

It's exactly what the Trump Regime wants us to do.

Lie down and not say a word.

I still don't think America has had any serious democracy lessons like most of the nations the world over, have. Maybe it's our turn in the barrel.

Fair winds and following seas Admiral.

 

Admiral Alvin Holsey’s resignation over the Venezuelan boat strikes remains one of the most courageous stands taken by a senior U.S. officer in recent years. He reportedly wrote in his private letter to the Pentagon, “I cannot, in good conscience, authorize or execute orders that risk innocent lives and compromise the principles I swore to uphold.” That statement, leaked to the press, captures a rare flash of moral clarity in a time when loyalty to power seems to outweigh adherence to law and humanity.

The general’s decision to step down after objecting to indiscriminate strikes on Venezuelan vessels may be admirable on an ethical level, but it also raises a troubling question about leadership. The military, like the rest of America’s major institutions, cannot afford to lose every figure willing to question authority. When principled dissenters step aside, they leave space for those eager to follow orders without hesitation.

President Trump’s foreign policy continues to grow more volatile, cloaked in defiant rhetoric about national defense and drug interdiction but often lacking evidence or restraint. What this moment calls for is not retreat but resistance. The country needs generals, journalists, lawyers, and educators ready to hold the line against authoritarian impulses rather than surrender their posts.

[JerryBaumchen 1,493]

7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

If things are as bad as we make it out where are our veterans? We have the people in inflatable frogs suits, naked bike riders, and the Banana Marching band out in force but where are the people we trained to protect us? Of course I don't expect the serving military to be other than servile but maybe a million veteran march on DC would get some attention. Or maybe they also don't care or are generally pleased with the current trend.

Hi Joe,

I know you are out of the country; however, here is one option:  No Kings

I'll be there,

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,493]

55 minutes ago, normiss said:

I just snagged this from The Other 98%'s FB page, and this is the way I feel about those leaving.

It's exactly what the Trump Regime wants us to do.

Lie down and not say a word.

I still don't think America has had any serious democracy lessons like most of the nations the world over, have. Maybe it's our turn in the barrel.

Fair winds and following seas Admiral.

 

Admiral Alvin Holsey’s resignation over the Venezuelan boat strikes remains one of the most courageous stands taken by a senior U.S. officer in recent years. He reportedly wrote in his private letter to the Pentagon, “I cannot, in good conscience, authorize or execute orders that risk innocent lives and compromise the principles I swore to uphold.” That statement, leaked to the press, captures a rare flash of moral clarity in a time when loyalty to power seems to outweigh adherence to law and humanity.

The general’s decision to step down after objecting to indiscriminate strikes on Venezuelan vessels may be admirable on an ethical level, but it also raises a troubling question about leadership. The military, like the rest of America’s major institutions, cannot afford to lose every figure willing to question authority. When principled dissenters step aside, they leave space for those eager to follow orders without hesitation.

President Trump’s foreign policy continues to grow more volatile, cloaked in defiant rhetoric about national defense and drug interdiction but often lacking evidence or restraint. What this moment calls for is not retreat but resistance. The country needs generals, journalists, lawyers, and educators ready to hold the line against authoritarian impulses rather than surrender their posts.

Hi Mark,

Let's be thankful for the little bit of honesty & ethics that still exists in this country.

Jerry Baumchen

No Kings

[JoeWeber 3,025]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

I know you are out of the country; however, here is one option:  No Kings

I'll be there,

Jerry Baumchen

Thank you, Jerry, for being there in my stead. That said, our antagonists are laughing at these weak kneed expositions like No Kings and Banana Bands because it broadcasts our unwillingness to truly confront. Like I said, where are our veterans? Let this thought detonate in your brain: if the people we paid to train to protect our democracy are cool with what is happening how is dressing up like Donald Duck going to have an impact? I am super proud of Oregon, we truly are doing our part to underline the absurdity. But you know and I know that won't do the job. We need the only group that has street cred across our society, our military veterans, to step up in a serious and public way and say no.